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Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby cutter7 » Mar 2nd, 2018, 9:04 am

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/po ... e37764543/


I welcome this proposal, Not that it will solve the problem but in hopes that the people at the base of addiction will get help instead of used by the system.

Instead of threatening addicts with jail and a painful withdrawal from drugs in exchange for information on their dealers maybe we will be seeking help for the people at the base of the problem, the addicts themselves.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 2nd, 2018, 9:26 am

While decriminalizing drugs has some benefits such as not putting a person in legal jeapardy, it certainly does not ensure that they will get help for their addictions. So decriminalizing just increases access (maybe), but does not help the problem otherwise without also having some pretty comprehensive (expensive) programs which unfortunately don't have a great track record of sustained success for actually getting people back in to productive life-styles. It's a very complicated problem. If it were easy, it would have been solved by now given the huge cost and resources that are being sucked up into the problems of drug addictions.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Sparki55 » Mar 2nd, 2018, 5:29 pm

The government should not control any substances you put into your own body.

Statements like this show the complete lack of understanding; from the article:
"The Trudeau Liberals want to bring dangerous drugs into our community," one ad asserted. "The Liberals are rushing to legalizing (sic) marijuana despite concerns being raised by police and health professionals. And now they want to legalize prescription heroin!"


Health concerns, police concerns, these issues don't really exist. These are false issues pushed into the media to scare us that some epidemic will happen if we legalize drugs.

Magic mushrooms, salvia and marijuana are examples of plants that grow which have been banned because the government thinks they are dangerous. The real dangerous component is the crime associated with these drugs while they are illegal and need to be supplied by people who are involved with gangs.

There are synthetic drugs (derived from plants, look it up, morphine, ecstasy, cocaine all come from plants) which are also labeled as a controlled substance. Since these drugs need some human intervention for them to be in the desirable drug form, users rely on uncertified "chemists" to produce the drugs. A user never knows the exact potency, makeup or if it's laced with other substances which could be very harmful. To ensure these harmful substances are not in the drug of choice, regulate it, sell it legally.

Having to get a prescription from a doctor is also ridiculous. You should go to the doctor, he tells you what you need, you go see a pharmacist and he sells it to you, no need to go back to the doctor for permission (prescription top up). We are all capable humans, we can certainly decide what to take and not to take.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby CapitalB » Mar 2nd, 2018, 5:37 pm

It would be significantly safer to just have all drugs regulated by the state and sold by licensed professionals. Would dramatically reduce the amount of drug related problems we have. Fewer deaths, fewer young people suffering from addiction, fewer non violent offenders tying up or legal system. Just overall better for Canada. Anyone that advocates for prohibition is pro crime, pro addiction, pro underage use.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 2nd, 2018, 5:59 pm

Rather see it all stay illegal. Spent a few years on the crack. No need for that stuff to be legal
Now they want to take our guns away . That would be just fine. Take em away from the criminals first . Ill gladly give u mine. "Charlie Daniels"

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 3rd, 2018, 6:50 am

Jflem1983 wrote: Rather see it all stay illegal.

Sure, after all "If it's broke, don't fix it" :smt045
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 3rd, 2018, 8:25 am

What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Gixxer » Mar 3rd, 2018, 8:45 am

Great idea its about time. Having them illegal is not working or making the current situation any better.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Grandan » Mar 3rd, 2018, 9:11 am

CapitalB wrote:It would be significantly safer to just have all drugs regulated by the state and sold by licensed professionals. Would dramatically reduce the amount of drug related problems we have. Fewer deaths, fewer young people suffering from addiction, fewer non violent offenders tying up or legal system. Just overall better for Canada. Anyone that advocates for prohibition is pro crime, pro addiction, pro underage use.

The reason we have a drug problem is because Dr's prescribed opiates for pain to patients without properly monitoring them.
Just about every story I hear is about someone with an injury who then got hooked and could not withdraw.
Blame the drug companies for creating a problem knowing full well that they would have customers for life.
From what I heard, Dr's were given vacations for prescribing vast quantities of opiates to their patients. My neighbour was prescribed for phantom pain from a lost limb. Criminalizing the final user is like putting your car in jail for speeding.
Yes, give the users clean drugs and then help them get clean through managed programs and get the police out of that racket.
The cost of handing out free drugs to users is small compared to the criminalization created by ill-informed law makers.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby alanjh595 » Mar 3rd, 2018, 9:13 am

While we are at it, let's cover it under MSP and pharmacare too.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 3rd, 2018, 12:07 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.

I wonder if you could clarify your position on this? First, you post the above demonstrating really next to no understanding of the issue (apart from your own personal anecdotal evidence), and then you “liked” the post below (nice post by the way):

Grandan wrote: Criminalizing the final user is like putting your car in jail for speeding. Yes, give the users clean drugs and then help them get clean through managed programs and get the police out of that racket. The cost of handing out free drugs to users is small compared to the criminalization created by ill-informed law makers.

I’m wondering f you were able to change your mind somewhat after considering this idea (that would be impressive), or if you were just unable to recognize the contradiction. Which is it? Jail users for life, or help them get clean? Can you clarify?
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby GordonH » Mar 3rd, 2018, 12:15 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.


Then I guess murder conviction would come with minimum sentence of 75 years, actually I'd be okay with this. So if the murderer is under 25 he/she may actually see their parole hearing (small chance).
When you have to start compromising yourself and your morals for the people around you, it’s probably time to change the people around you.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 3rd, 2018, 12:32 pm

Was a hard sarcastic like. Who on earth could support giving junkies drugs.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby JLives » Mar 3rd, 2018, 12:37 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:Rather see it all stay illegal. Spent a few years on the crack. No need for that stuff to be legal


So the legality of the substance had no bearing on you abusing it but you think it should still be illegal? Why exactly?
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