Decriminalizing all drugs

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 3rd, 2018, 12:46 pm

JLives wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:Rather see it all stay illegal. Spent a few years on the crack. No need for that stuff to be legal


So the legality of the substance had no bearing on you abusing it but you think it should still be illegal? Why exactly?



Seen enough to know this crap is illegal for good reason. Lost more friends than some of u likely ever had .
Go to a few funerals maybe you will see what i mean.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:08 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:
Seen enough to know this crap is illegal for good reason. Lost more friends than some of u likely ever had .
Go to a few funerals maybe you will see what i mean.


Being illegal did not seem to save your friends, nor probably will legalizing it save anyone. People who are going to die from drugs will do it regardless if it's illegal or not.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:10 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.


Then we all have to pay astronimical amounts to keep them in jail so they won't use heroin and die. No, i'd rather let them die and put that amount of money toward care for the elderly who need care thru no fault of their own.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:12 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: Who on earth could support giving junkies drugs.

People who are simply sick and tired at throwing away our tax money on failed strategies that have been proven not to work, and that have only made the situation costlier and more destructive for everyone. Not everyone likes to stumble blindly and blissfully along repeating in their heads the conservative mantra of “If it’s broke, don’t fix it”.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:15 pm

Grandan wrote:The reason we have a drug problem is because Dr's prescribed opiates for pain to patients without properly monitoring them.
Just about every story I hear is about someone with an injury who then got hooked and could not withdraw.
Blame the drug companies for creating a problem knowing full well that they would have customers for life.
From what I heard, Dr's were given vacations for prescribing vast quantities of opiates to their patients. My neighbour was prescribed for phantom pain from a lost limb. Criminalizing the final user is like putting your car in jail for speeding.
Yes, give the users clean drugs and then help them get clean through managed programs and get the police out of that racket.
The cost of handing out free drugs to users is small compared to the criminalization created by ill-informed law makers.


Now there's an area which could be targeted. If physicians are going to prescribe opiates longterm then they should be responsible for monitoring those patients for as long as it takes to maintain them, or wean them off properly. Not just cut them off and leave them to go get their drugs on the street. I have also met people who that's how they got hooked on these things, and they weren't the type to abuse intentionally.

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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:19 pm

^ another "hard like" phlegm, or should we throw those people in jail too?
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 3rd, 2018, 3:22 pm

Lots of doctors to jail yes
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 3rd, 2018, 7:13 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:Lots of doctors to jail yes

Doctors, junkies ... anyone we shouldn't arrest?
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 4th, 2018, 8:59 am

We are already short on doctors as it is. Putting them in jail means only the prisoners will have enough doctors.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby cutter7 » Mar 4th, 2018, 11:38 am

Jflem1983 wrote:What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.


I loved it when the penalties were far more severe, the profits made it worth the risk, $200 a quarter gram in those days vs $100 for the whole thing now.

yea,, tougher penalties work lol
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 4th, 2018, 11:52 am

cutter7 wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:What is broken is the enforcement side of the problem. Hand out 25 years for heroin possesion. Watch the death rate drop.


I loved it when the penalties were far more severe, the profits made it worth the risk, $200 a quarter gram in those days vs $100 for the whole thing now.

yea,, tougher penalties work lol



Hence why people are dying.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Ka-El » Mar 4th, 2018, 11:53 am

cutter7 wrote: yea,, tougher penalties work lol

Conservative mantra: "If it's broke, don't fix it" :smt045
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Silverstarqueen » Mar 6th, 2018, 7:49 pm

Something I don't quite get, example being stories lately in the news, are people who had a drug problem got cleaned up, and have a nice life (wife, family, job), and then decide that would be a great time to risk it all and do drugs again. Then die.
I can see why a person who is currently addicted at the time doing these opiods each day, until one day they overdose and die. But having been thru addiction and then turning their life around, why go back to the drugs that will surely kill them sooner or later, leaving their family and friends to mourn a child without a father, a wife without her husband, a mother without her son?
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby CapitalB » Mar 6th, 2018, 7:51 pm

My understanding is that with some drugs the addiction never actually goes away. Heroin for example, what I've heard is that you'll spend every second of the rest of your life wanting more. Even years after.
So much of the violent push-back on everything progressive and reformist comes down to: I can see the future, and in this future I am not the centre of the universe and master of all that I survey, therefore this future must be resisted at all costs.
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Re: Decriminalizing all drugs

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 6th, 2018, 8:06 pm

CapitalB wrote:My understanding is that with some drugs the addiction never actually goes away. Heroin for example, what I've heard is that you'll spend every second of the rest of your life wanting more. Even years after.



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