Silverstarqueen wrote:I don't care if JP is making big bucks with his public and online entertainment, more power to him (as long as he is doing it legally and pays his taxes). But he comes up with such bs such as: When asked by an interviewer "Do you think a transgendre woman is a woman? He dances around it with "I don't know what that means"( I am pretty sure he does know what that means), then finally answers the question , "No"(so he did know what that means).. Which would be fine if he had some logical defense for that position, but instead he says " I think of women as capable of having a babies". Now we all know that a woman can be a woman and not be capable of having babies, so why would he claim to believe that therefore they are not a woman? What if women act nothing like a "woman" by his definition? Having babies is just one thing that some women can do, some can't. Would Peterson accept women saying "Men have to be capable of impregnating a woman, otherwise they are not men?"
And professors will always penalize their students when they don't properly reference their quotes.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 19th, 2018, 1:08 am
by sobrohusfat
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 19th, 2018, 1:47 pm
by Leifer
After all the outcry (He has been called a Jewish shill and Nazi sympathizer in the same day!) I watched a couple of videos and can see the draw.
Maybe a voice of reason out there in our current storm of polarized gender politics.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 19th, 2018, 11:06 pm
by dcipher
Silverstarqueen wrote: That's an example of how he mixes up an interesting thought, and then throws in a buncha bs. The bible does explain a lot of the reasons behind our behavior in western civilization. That does not mean we "should" necessarily follow all of its commands like blind sheep. Otherwise we wouldn't need a constitution or any other written laws (and yes some people believe that too). But our society's laws have deviated in a number of ways from the bible. I doubt even JP follows the bible as he says we "should".
WHAAA???!! You do understand that Peterson is not saying....well... anything like we should follow it like "blind sheep". WOW. the context is that he discussing the foundational basis of western ethics - as well as the need for a moral imperative to have meaningful ethics/morality. He is stating that the bible provides insight into the nature of that moral imperative for our culture - and that hardly seems a controversial statement. Even if you haven't read the entire passage, the fact that "for better or worse' was included even in this cut up quote should imply that Peterson isn't advocating for the absolute supremacy or authority of the bible.
The more complex the topic, the more Castanet forums make me cringe.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 20th, 2018, 9:28 pm
by Silverstarqueen
Well Jp considers himself a theologist of sorts. If he's so big on the Bible, how is it we hear nothing about his relationship with God or Salvation thru Christ? He doesn't talk about the resurrection of Christ, his belief in divine forgiveness, or everlasting life. He doesn't even talk about the Bible as God's word, but rather it seems to be a collection of "stories", gathered over millenia and cobbled together, which "no one knows where they came from. According to the Bible, we do know where they came from, directly from God. So JP's view of it is pretty much a rejection of the whole foundation of the Bible. If it is to be considered as the foundation of Western Civilization (let's accept that it is for argument's sake), then why is JP not talking about all these very essential tenets of the Bible? It's fine to say one doesn't have to take everything in the Bible as Gospel truth, but actually you do have to accept most of the above, or you missed the main message of it. The Bible is not just a philosophical prescription for society, it was intended as the Word of God, with specific commandments requiring unquestioning obedience , which if followed would ensure salvation and deliver the believer from Hell after death. I just don't believe that Peterson believes that himself.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 20th, 2018, 9:46 pm
by OKkayak
Silverstarqueen wrote:So JP's view of it is pretty much a rejection of the whole foundation of the Bible. If it is to be considered as the foundation of Western Civilization (let's accept that it is for argument's sake), then why is JP not talking about all these very essential tenets of the Bible?
Believing that the Bible is the foundation and understanding that the Bible was core foundation of the Western Civilization are two very different things. One does not have to believe in the Word of God, the Bible nor any Christian beliefs to understand how fundamental the Bible was in the history of civilization.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 4:38 am
by Silverstarqueen
Seems very hypocritical of him to say to his followers:" here's a good plan for your behavior and life philosophy, The Bible." When really it's his plan he's peddaling,which is:" Pick and choose what I say is right and true, the rest is fairy tale." The Bible is a total package you either believe it or you don't, in which case you reject it and Christianity. Then there's Judaism which does not buy in to the Christian version of the Bible, so are they not included in Western civilization?
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 7:27 am
by Glacier
Silverstarqueen wrote:Seems very hypocritical of him to say to his followers:" here's a good plan for your behavior and life philosophy, The Bible." When really it's his plan he's peddaling,which is:" Pick and choose what I say is right and true, the rest is fairy tale." The Bible is a total package you either believe it or you don't, in which case you reject it and Christianity. Then there's Judaism which does not buy in to the Christian version of the Bible, so are they not included in Western civilization?
Jordan Peterson says says that there's a lot of wisdom in ancient stories such as the Bible, fairy tales, and Greek mythology. Nowhere does he say that the stories are all true. That's not his point. The reason the Bible and many other ancient texts are so valuable is that they hit home fundamental truths about human behavior and psychology. Understand the stories so we don't make the same mistakes the characters in the stories made is what he says.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 7:50 am
by Mordu
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 8:42 am
by Mordu
Sorry I interrupted the discussion between Silverstarqueen et al.
The reason . . .:
“One of the things I know about writing is this: spend it all, shoot it, play it, lose it, all, right away, every time. Do not hoard what seems good for a later place in the book or for another book; give it, give it all, give it now. The impulse to save something good for a better place later is the signal to spend it now. Something more will arise for later, something better. These things fill from behind, from beneath, like well water. Similarly, the impulse to keep to yourself what you have learned is not only shameful, it is destructive. Anything you do not give freely and abundantly becomes lost to you. You open your safe and find ashes.”
― Annie Dillard, The Writing Life
Actually I think this is kind of Peterson-esque.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 5:24 pm
by Silverstarqueen
Re; the video, which is sort of interesting. According to admin at U of T, JP's job was never in jeopardy he was on sabatical at one point. Also quite a few of his teaching colleagues were concerned about his behavior, that he was becoming erratic and possibly depressed. He obviously welcomed the controversy and even found a way to "monetize" social justice advocates. He has found a recipe that works for him, somewhere between warrior and victim, that brings in many thousands of bucks per month, as long as he rides the wave of fame and notoreity. Of course that could all stop at any time, fans can be fickle, but he still has his profession to fall back on. So, even academics find his verbal meanderings to be sometimes incomprehensible and inconsistent, but at least he still enjoys free speech, as long as he doesn't insult the wrong people too much.
Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 7:41 pm
by sobrohusfat
Silverstarqueen wrote:... a way to "monetize" social justice advocates....brings in many thousands of bucks per month....
A way to make big bucks eh
That's what motivated his "cunning scheme" the whole time was it.
...sad bit of projection me thinks - maybe.
Well good for you Peterson - hope you keep on making big bucks while they writhe like salted slugs
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Re: Jordan Peterson’s BS
Posted: Nov 21st, 2018, 8:13 pm
by Silverstarqueen
sobrohusfat wrote:
Silverstarqueen wrote:... a way to "monetize" social justice advocates....brings in many thousands of bucks per month....
A way to make big bucks eh That's what motivated his "cunning scheme" the whole time was it. ...sad bit of projection me thinks - maybe. Well good for you Peterson - hope you keep on making big bucks while they writhe like salted slugs lol man I LOVE THIS SITE !!
...So, which is he in your eyes; right Nazi Shill or Scheming Jewish Shill ?
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The claim that he had found a way to "monetize" social justice advocates was made by JP himself in the video. He has been making thousands per month off his new sideline career, charging for his appearances/lectures and online, selling his books and audio tapes. I think it's unlikely he would have been able to do all this without the (negative) advertising, and probably the support from the right. As I have said, good on him if he can make lots of money from the weak minded who need his guidance and leadership (as long as he remits the required taxes). He had originally wanted to start his own church/cult, but this is almost as good. I'd classify him as something between a pseudo-shaman, snake oil salesman, gypsy fortune-teller.
Jordan Peterson a UN Globalist: Edited a Report for the High-Level Panel on Sustainable Development.
Jordan B. Peterson worked on the UN Secretary General’s High-Level Panel on Sustainable Development, editing a document that was released in 2013 entitled 'A New Global Partnership: Eradicate Poverty and Transform Economies Through Sustainable Development '. One of the panel members of this UN High Council was none other than skippy himself, John Podesta.
In July 2012, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon announced the 27 members of a High-level Panel to advise on the global development framework beyond 2015, the target date for the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs).
The Panel was part of the Secretary-General’s post-2015 initiative mandated by the 2010 MDG Summit. UN Member States have called for open, inclusive consultations involving civil society, the private sector, academia and research institutions from all regions, in addition to the UN system, to advance the development framework beyond 2015.
There is a global ethic for a globalised world, based on our common humanity, the Rio principles and the shared ethos of all traditions: “do as you would be done by.”
Look what it says on page 18 under the heading 'Global Impact by 2030':
“International Migration: The universal human rights and fundamental freedoms of migrants must be respected. These migrants make a positive economic contribution to their host countries, by building up their labour force.”
From the Acknowledgements section of the report:
“ The deliberations of the Panel were informed by the broad consultative process conducted by the United Nations, as directed by the Secretary-General in our terms of reference. This includes national and global thematic consultations under the aegis of the United Nations Development Group (UNDG), regional consultations undertaken by the Regional Commissions, consultations with businesses around the world under the guidance of the UN Global Compact, and the views of the scientific and academic community as conveyed through the Sustainable Development Solutions Network. We are grateful for the perspective these extensive consultations provided.
Some initially doubted that Peterson was actually involved with this UN agenda, since he is not listed among the 27 members of the panel. However, in an interview with The Dark Room Podcast in October 2016, Peterson openly declared that he was not merely involved with the UN HLP report, but actually wrote the underlying narrative for it.
“ I'm a media *bleep*, you know.... I'm a professor at the University of Toronto so far. I'm a clinical psychologist, I have a clinical practice, I'm a business consultant, I do executive coaching, mostly for senior partners of big law firms. I run a testing business for the world's biggest early-stage technology incubator in California, called the Founder Institute. They've started 2,000 business in the past five years and I've screened all 30,000 of their entrants because I know how to predict entrepreneurial ability. I designed a program called Future Authoring that has helped more than 7,000 university students improve their grades by 25 percent and decrease their dropout by about the same amount. I worked on the UN Secretary-General's High Panel for Sustainability Report that was delivered, I believe, in 2013, and rewrote the underlying narrative to strip out most of the ideological claptrap.
His involvement with the UN was also confirmed in his bio at Moses Znaimer's conference, Ideacity:
In the UN report which he edited: "Look what it says on page 18 under the heading 'Global Impact by 2030':
“International Migration: The universal human rights and fundamental freedoms of migrants must be respected. These migrants make a positive economic contribution to their host countries, by building up their labour force.”
Yet in his own book, what he really believes: " in Maps of Meaning, he explicitly observes that immigrating foreigners have been considered a source of chaos dating back to the classical era. "
In other words it seems he likely is just writing whatever he thinks his audience will be most receptive to.
storm of polarized gender politics. 
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