Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

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Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Glacier » Nov 23rd, 2018, 10:30 am

BC's Child and Youth Advocate was on the radio saying that we need to do this because of the ones overdosing are between the age of 10 and 18.

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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Ka-El » Nov 23rd, 2018, 11:06 am

I would prefer mandatory detox and treatment.
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Silverstarqueen » Nov 23rd, 2018, 12:20 pm

Children need a lot more than an injection site. Just detox won't cut it either, and some watered down treatment is not adequate. Children would need a very comprehensive approach, follow up, counselling, inclusion of foster or family, etc. The whole nine yards because they have so much potential, for good or harm.

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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby the truth » Nov 23rd, 2018, 2:21 pm

Glacier wrote:BC's Child and Youth Advocate was on the radio saying that we need to do this because of the ones overdosing are between the age of 10 and 18.

Thoughts?


anyone who supports child injection sites, supports - child abuse -
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby MAPearce » Nov 23rd, 2018, 4:55 pm

Ka-El wrote:I would prefer mandatory detox and treatment.


I second that .......

I'd even openly advocate for proper medical institutionalization ...
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby dogspoiler » Nov 23rd, 2018, 10:29 pm

You mean like a residential institution ?
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby MAPearce » Nov 23rd, 2018, 10:36 pm

dogspoiler wrote:You mean like a residential institution ?
I don't think anyone want's to step in that pie.


I know Dog .. But how else will this problem be solved ?

Don't tell me that the MCFD is the best option .. They STRAIGHT UP SUCK .

Perhaps the doctors , nurses and other care givers would do a better job ?
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Silverstarqueen » Nov 24th, 2018, 7:57 am

Removing an addict from a loving family to an institution is likely to make the problem worse. Unless the parents were supplying the child drugs or otherwise assisting (and yes I have known parents that did that), they are not the cause of the problem, but they might be part of the solution. I have seen parents, caring parents, doing everything possible to get their kids off drugs, it is not simple by any means and current resources are inadequate for the size of the problem our society is facing.

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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby MAPearce » Nov 24th, 2018, 10:53 am

dogspoiler wrote:You mean like a residential institution ?
I don't think anyone want's to step in that pie.


I'd like to think of it as a prolonged hospital stay .
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Silverstarqueen » Nov 25th, 2018, 12:16 pm

MAPearce wrote:
dogspoiler wrote:You mean like a residential institution ?
I don't think anyone want's to step in that pie.


I'd like to think of it as a prolonged hospital stay .


Which would make most people suicidal. At $1000-$2000 per day, I don't think hospital is a viable or even effective option. (other than possibly during the acute detox period).
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Ka-El » Nov 25th, 2018, 12:28 pm

Community living homes; supervised with programming. The unfortunate reality about treatment is that it occurs inside a controlled (safe) setting. It is a step in the process of change but if it ends there with people returning to the same environment they came from with no changes (living circumstance, family and peers, behind in education, etc.) the likelihood of relapse is high. An ideal process …

1. Detox
2. Treatment
3. Community programming and support.

This approach is consistent with the process of change model where people move through stages from pre-contemplation to contemplation to decision to action to maintenance. Unfortunately, relapse is now also considered to potentially be part of that process where people will either start all over with pre-contemplation or re-enter the process at a higher level (pick up right away again with maintenance strategies). Institutional programming (treatment centres) play their role but we are just throwing away tax dollars by not following through in the community after treatment.
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby cabin1 » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:02 am

Think it’s time parenting skills were upgraded. Really, ask your grandma or grandpa if 10 year olds in there time were shooting up ? It’s all about education, if your born relatively healthy and your addicted to drugs, then your just a big loser. Why should hard working citizens have to pay for your actions or choices you made in YOUR life. And please, stop the blam game.

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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby jimmy4321 » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:09 am

Is this really a thing??? 10,11,12,13 year olds shooting up!!! F'n insane.
NO maybe some very serious treatment or something.
What the hell are these kids of junkies??

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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby Fancy » Jan 10th, 2019, 10:11 am

cabin1 wrote:Think it’s time parenting skills were upgraded. Really, ask your grandma or grandpa if 10 year olds in there time were shooting up ? It’s all about education, if your born relatively healthy and your addicted to drugs, then your just a big loser. Why should hard working citizens have to pay for your actions or choices you made in YOUR life. And please, stop the blam game.

Consider all the grandparents addicted to smoking, drinking and gambling and those who partake occasionally. Isn't it easier to get addicted to drugs? As far as the blame game goes, didn't you just insinuate parenting skills might have something to do with it? There are good parents and children down the wrong path. There should be easier choices to make in helping those that need and want it instead of a safe site.
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Re: Is it time to open safe injection sites for children?

Postby the truth » Jan 10th, 2019, 9:55 pm

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