Total Fraud!!!!

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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby rustled » Sep 5th, 2019, 12:38 am

Bsuds wrote:
Bsuds wrote:Quote Global News

"The National Institute for Space Research (INPE) has recorded more than 74,000 fires so far this year – an 84 per cent increase on the same period in 2018. It’s the highest number since records began in 2013."

I wonder what else you have wrong?
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Complete and utter FakeNews. ... -is-wrong/

No, because even the link you provided claimed 80% more fires than 2018 which was my point that the other poster claimed was false.

I'm finding the alarmism about the number of fires rather peculiar. What an odd measurement. Shouldn't we be talking about the number of hectares affected? And we're told it's the highest number since records began in 2013! Isn't that a suspicious figure, too? So I went looking, and found this from the BBC:

2) The number of fires seems like a bad metric, because the size of fires varies. Is there year-on-year data on the total area affected? - Peter

This is a fair point. On 20 August, Brazil's satellite agency said there had been an 84% increase in the number of fires compared with the same period in 2018. It's the highest number since 2010, but significantly less than in 2005 during the same period, when the number of fires was at its highest.

This year, the satellite agency detected more than 74,000 fires in Brazil between January and 20 August. Most of those were in the Amazon, and the New York Times reports most of those fires were on land already cleared for agricultural use.

But does this mean more land is being burned than ever before? After all, we could be looking at tens of thousands of tiny fires.

The truth is we don't know yet, but the evidence points towards more land being consumed by fire.

We don't have the full picture at the moment, partly because many fires are still burning. We asked Copernicus, the European Union's earth observation programme, and they said the best way to assess how destructive these fires are is to look at how much carbon dioxide is being released.

So far this year, the equivalent of 228 megatonnes has been released, according to the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service. This is the highest level since 2010.

At some point in the future, there should be more detailed satellite information about how much land had been burned, but that information isn't available yet.
The response attributed to Copernicus made me chuckle. The best way to assess how destructive these fires are is not by gauging how much has been destroyed, the prior qualities or values of what was destroyed, or to what degree it's destroyed, but by how much carbon dioxide is being released. Well, from an alarmist perspective, that's likely true.

From one of the linked stories, more honesty and less spin:
The official figures show more than 87,000 forest fires were recorded in Brazil in the first eight months of the year - the highest number since 2010. That compares with 49,000 in the same period in 2018.

Nasa, which provides Inpe with its active fire data, confirmed recordings from its satellite sensors also indicated 2019 had been the most active year for almost a decade.

However, 2019 is not the worst year in recent history. Brazil experienced more fire activity in the 2000s - with 2005 seeing more than 142,000 fires in the first eight months of the year.

Forest fires are common in the Amazon during the dry season, which runs from July to October. They can be caused by naturally occurring events, such as lightning strikes, but this year most are believed to have been started by farmers and loggers clearing land for crops or grazing.

There had been a noticeable increase in large, intense, and persistent fires along major roads in the central Brazilian Amazon, said Douglas Morton, head of the Biospheric Sciences Laboratory at Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The timing and location of the fires were more consistent with land clearing than with regional drought, he added.


The final paragraph from Glacier's link resonates:
“One of the grand challenges facing newsrooms covering complicated emergent, enduring issues like tropical deforestation,” said journalist Revkin, “is finding ways to engage readers without histrionics. The alternative is ever more whiplash journalism — which is the recipe for reader disengagement.”

Some folk simply can't get enough of the histrionics, though, and they are willfully blind to how these histrionics encourage us to at best waste resources deploying them inappropriately, and at worst embark on coursed of action that do more harm than good.

History may well show us that alarmism has been the scourge of our time.

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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby Silverstarqueen » Sep 5th, 2019, 6:31 am

What histrionics? Their leader told them it was ok by him if they wanted to clear forest by setting fire to it, so they did, in large numbers. Since large areas were being burned, saying how many hectares were burned would be impossible as it was changing every day, a number which would have been grossly innacurate. If we suddenly had three hundred people go out and set fire to our forests, do you think we would be able to say how many hectares were burned at any point, the smoke alone makes it impossible to judge. The point of the whole reporting was to alert the world that this was going on, that it wasn't just natural fires breaking out, and that pressure needed to be put on their leader to stop encouraging his own people to set numerous fires. Maybe a month or a year from now, we will know if those efforts have been useful or not. Will the situation start all over again next year of the world turns it's attention elsewhere?
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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby rustled » Sep 5th, 2019, 8:10 am

The author did a fine job of explaining the histrionics, the resulting waste, and why it should matter to us.

Dr. Stephen Schneider would be proud. His legacy lives on.

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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby Scorp » Sep 6th, 2019, 8:11 am

Scorp wrote: I want to make sure (again) that everyone is aware that the leaders of our five main federal parties already support taking measures to lower the consumption of carbon energy. ... 0#p2530195

Scorp wrote:I'm ethical oil, pro-pipeline, and marine transport. We've worked too hard and too diligently in this country, even under unethical influences, to throw all that down the toilet.


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Climate vs. business? ... htm#265194

. . . The survey found these two issues are top of mind among undecided voters. In fact almost 70 per cent say climate change should be a top priority for whichever party forms government, including four-in-ten Conservative Party supporters. But at the same time, six-in-ten say that oil and gas development should be a top priority alongside climate actionn. . . .

Climate and Business :up:

But again I'll show how we must pay mind to our energy security.

And I don't agree with everything that Laxer proposes, but his book does uncover and describe our 'lax' when it comes to our devotion to the US and when it comes to our domestic distribution and storage system on Canadian soil.
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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby Laurane » Sep 7th, 2019, 11:00 am

That is a blast from the past!!......Gordon Laxer......not a good a good memory at that.

Do some investigation about the Maunder Minimum, just one of the cycles John L. Casey writes in his book Dark Winter......there are cycles of 8, 20ish, 40ish and 100 years or more, which are related to Sunspot activity, and these Minimums which cause cold or hot depending on where you live have been documented for centuries.

When was the last time you saw the Mississippi River freeze so hard that pioneers could cross the ice in their heavy wagons on the way west? Cyclical weather caused this in 1830/40s and it was in another of these Minimums. Depending on where you are in the world, you could hear people say they had never seen a winter so cold, like my family in Australia, or a summer so hot and dry like more family in Utah. But they have not lived in those places long enough to know that it all happened before in cycles.

Fires burn because of dryness and heat and poor forestry controls - so it is not a good indicator when a "study" says that is Global Warming. In California it is mainly from citizens not allowed to control brush or allow any controlled burning of large trees (for other ecological reasons trying to save every species) and stopping much of the lumber companies taking trees.

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Re: Total Fraud!!!!

Postby 1791 » Sep 8th, 2019, 6:37 am

Keep in mind the raw data shows cooling. Only when the scientists adjust the data does it show warming. Just like with the hurricanes. They are taking wind speeds 10 000 ft up and talking as if that as at 6 ft off the ground. It is not.

To hear the news this week. A hurricane never hit the East Coast before Trump came along. What a load of horse.

Clinate hoaxers should be ashamed for being so gullible.
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