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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Leifer » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:06 pm

This is nothing new.
Every time I brush up against public employees in my industry....I am struck by the differences in expenses, spending and accountability.
During business travel....we fly economy, stay in the Sandman (or equivalent), carpool, and eat at modest restaurants on the company dime. We are held accountable for the expenses we incur and have to justify all spending.

Not so for my government counterparts. They stay in nicer hotels, run up massive bar/restaurant bills, and expense things that would blow your mind. It really is amazing how they treat public funds like a bottomless slush fund to be used and abused without any apparent oversight.

That’s our money folks! :cuss:
Money that could be used for so many more important things our country and citizens need.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby flamingfingers » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:19 pm

^^These 'government employees' (if in fact that is what they are), are held to per diems for all expenses. They are not allowed (as an example) to use the per diems for alcoholic beverages or 'escorts' (jk). Transport again is held to certain maximums and any overages are charged back to them.

Like all employee benefits, these expenses are all determined through negotiated settlements, and agreed to by BOTH employees and MANAGEMENT.

Don't think for a minute that 'government employees' have carte blanche to incur expenses that the employer must pay.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Sparki55 » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:24 pm

flamingfingers wrote:Employees PAY part of their wages into their sick time benefit. Meaning it is an employee paid for benefit.


Earning sick leave
Generally, if you are a full-time employee with a work week of 37.5 hours, you earn sick leave at the rate of 9.375 hours each month for which you receive 75 hours pay. Sick leave is prorated if you are a part-time employee. For more information, refer to the relevant authorities such as your collective agreement and/or the various terms and conditions of employment specific to your classification group.


https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/remuneration-compensation/services-paye-pay-services/paye-information-pay/vie-life/vie-conge-life-leave/maladie-sick-eng.html

Seems like they just earn days? Pay for sick days lol? That is nonsense. They are either paid or take a no pay day, why on earth would you pay into a sick day program.

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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Leifer » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:35 pm

These 'government employees' (if in fact that is what they are)

Ah the old passive aggressive attack...never gets old. :up:
But yes....they are government employees.

Don't think for a minute that 'government employees' have carte blanche to incur expenses that the employer must pay.

Perhaps not “Carter blanche”.....but they expense things that would never fly with my employer. Not “hookers and blow” or “golf clubs, and jet skis”....but clothing, gift shop trinkets, and luggage. (These are things I witnessed myself....I hear of much worse).
And yes....restaurant bills (including alcoholic beverages) that run in the thousands. :cuss:
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby flamingfingers » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:38 pm

Earning sick leave
Generally, if you are a full-time employee with a work week of 37.5 hours, you earn sick leave....


Definition of earn (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1a : to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered
b : to bring in by way of return
bonds earning 10 percent interest
2a : to come to be duly worthy of or entitled or suited to
she earned a promotion
b : to make worthy of or obtain for
the suggestion earned him a promotion
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby flamingfingers » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:41 pm

Perhaps not “Carter blanche”(sic).....but they expense things that would never fly with my employer. Not “hookers and blow” or “golf clubs, and jet skis”....but clothing, gift shop trinkets, and luggage. (These are things I witnessed myself....I hear of much worse).
And yes....restaurant bills (including alcoholic beverages) that run in the thousands.


Wow!! Didn't know you traveled with James and Lenz!!!!
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby JayByrd » Aug 31st, 2019, 12:59 pm

TerriJ73 wrote:
Is this typical for government?


No idea. We are not government employees per se, although our agency's funding comes via a contract with the government.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby southy » Aug 31st, 2019, 1:43 pm

flamingfingers wrote:
Perhaps not “Carter blanche”(sic).....but they expense things that would never fly with my employer. Not “hookers and blow” or “golf clubs, and jet skis”....but clothing, gift shop trinkets, and luggage. (These are things I witnessed myself....I hear of much worse).
And yes....restaurant bills (including alcoholic beverages) that run in the thousands.


Wow!! Didn't know you traveled with James and Lenz!!!!


Probably not! Must have been Mullen on his last fact finding jaunt!!
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby TerriJ73 » Aug 31st, 2019, 2:16 pm

JayByrd wrote:
TerriJ73 wrote:
Is this typical for government?


No idea. We are not government employees per se, although our agency's funding comes via a contract with the government.


Ah, makes sense.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Catsumi » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:13 pm

:topic: Stop making it personal, please and thanks
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Queen K » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:39 pm

JayByrd wrote:Some employers, such as mine, don't give you X days per year, but you do accrue a small amount of it each pay period. Our sick time is expressed in hours, not days, as we work varying shift lengths. It can grow to quite a large amount if you never use it, but it does cap out at a point.

One of my co-workers, who in 15+ years on the job had virtually never taken a day off sick, had a devastating fall at home...broken bones and the whole deal. He had enough sick time to cover his entire three month recovery.

Incidentally, our sick time pays out at 80% of our wage.

I would say that employees who have paid sick leave generally would take more sick days than those who don't. It seems obvious to me.


I know an employee who broke her leg. Good thing she never abused her sick time and managed to use it to heal up. I also know someone right now who broke her arm and is also using all her accrued sick time. Good thing some contracts are better than others.

Yes, I get mad when sick time is abused. I could work it out like clockwork between my two co-workers who was going to use her sick time according who last used hers. It was like the coordinated days off sick.

Personally, I know many people who are picking up a lot of extra hours for themselves due to other people's sick time. Thank God for them.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Urban Cowboy » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:40 pm

JLives wrote:
Urban Cowboy wrote:I think the concern is more one of faking being sick, simply to have a day off with pay, or conveniently falling ill on the Friday of a Monday holiday long weekend.

I'm also not buying FF's contention that the employees pay for these sick days. They may be contributing a pittance but I highly doubt they are paying in the same amount as they get out.


So what? Heaven forbid someone take a bit of time to have a life. I don't understand this race to the bottom mentality. Life is for living, work is just one part of it.


Oh get off your self righteous soap box.

I don't give a damn if someone needs time off to "have a life" as you put it, but then use vacation days. Sick days and associated pay isn't there for getting time off paid on a whim. You're simply advocating misuse of a perk, which in the end will prompt changes, just as so many other areas where people abused something, and then it was lost or taken from others who opted not to abuse.

People with your mindset are the reason we live in a nanny state, which may soon see sick days require a doctor's note, just as if you were still in grade school.

You want a pay check then work like everyone else.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Even Steven » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:41 pm

ITT: " - I don't have sick days, so no one else can!"

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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby Queen K » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:44 pm

How about when the children are sick? Do the mothers and fathers just leave them? Often it's a "sick day" alright.
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Re: Government workers sick time

Postby TerriJ73 » Aug 31st, 2019, 4:45 pm

If government workers across the country use more sick time on average, is it because of the perk of paid sick time or is it because government bureaucracy is toxic? Both?
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