Take a stand on guns you say??

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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Jonrox » Sep 12th, 2019, 9:23 am

The US made it more difficult to buy fully automatic machine guns just over 30 years ago and mass shootings tend to be done with semi-automatic guns instead. If machine guns were more readily available, these shootings likely would have taken place with them instead... and likely would have been even more deadly as a result.

But shooters hell bent on killing a bunch of people aren't going through the effort to get their hands on machine guns (and they're legal to own!). So if it was made more difficult (but not impossible) to get semi-automatic guns, do you think the same trend would eventually present itself?

Shooters have already demonstrated laziness when it comes to getting their weapons of choice... they go for the less lethal but easier to get option - even though there's a legal way to get the deadlier option. So if semi-automatic guns weren't made illegal (so that people who really want them can still get them), but were made more difficult to get, would shooters just resort to hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns instead?

Or would they just figure that if they can't kill dozens of people that it just isn't worth it?
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby mexi cali » Sep 12th, 2019, 9:40 am

1791 wrote:Chicago.


Fifteen people were shot, two fatally, on Tuesday in Democrat-controlled Chicago.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported that the shootings started around 12:45 a.m. Tuesday and resulted in the death of a 27-year-old man.

The day’s second homicide occurred less than an hour later near “the 1600 block of South Loomis Street.” An 18-year-old was killed in that shooting.

One of the 13 non-fatal shooting victims was a 16-year-old boy on a bicycle in Garfield Park. He was shot around 9:40 p.m. Tuesday “when someone pulled up in a gray SUV and unleashed gunfire.”

Breitbart News reported at least 34 were shot, 6 fatally, the weekend of September 6-8, 2019. At least 41 were shot, 7 fatally, during Labor Day weekend in Chicago.

Breitbart News also reported at least 29 were shot, 6 fatally, the weekend of August 23-25 in Democrat-controlled Chicago. Another 28 were shot, 5 fatally, in Chicago the weekend of August 16-18, and 47 were shot, 4 fatally, during the weekend of August 9-11.

During the first weekend in August, 53 were shot, 7 killed, in Democrat-run Chicago.

AWR Hawkins is an award-winning Second Amendment columnist for Breitbart 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2019 ... n-violence


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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Jonrox » Sep 12th, 2019, 10:01 am

I honestly didn't realize that gang violence was a partisan issue. Are cities with Republican mayors free from gangs? I haven't been south in a few months but if Republican mayors have eradicated gangs since I was last there I say all cities should have Republican mayors.

I'm really not sure what the above posts are getting at... are they suggesting that gang violence is the fault of Democrats and that it wouldn't exist if the Republicans were in power in those cities?
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Johnnycheese » Sep 12th, 2019, 11:09 am

Almost every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... they were all taking or had just finished taking
SSRI drugs or anti depressants! This is the real problem but the government and MSM would rather you didn't know about this fact!

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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby alanjh595 » Sep 12th, 2019, 11:44 am

Johnnycheese wrote:Almost every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... they were all taking or had just finished taking
SSRI drugs or anti depressants! This is the real problem but the government and MSM would rather you didn't know about this fact!


Maybe....IF SSRIs were available at the time, Hitler would have not started WWII. ??

I am not stretching any further than the above noted diagnosis.
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby OKkayak » Sep 12th, 2019, 11:53 am

Johnnycheese wrote:Almost every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... they were all taking or had just finished taking
SSRI drugs or anti depressants! This is the real problem but the government and MSM would rather you didn't know about this fact!

Yet every mass shooting in history has one thing in common:

They all used guns.
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Ka-El » Sep 12th, 2019, 4:45 pm

Jonrox wrote: I'm really not sure what the above posts are getting at... are they suggesting that gang violence is the fault of Democrats and that it wouldn't exist if the Republicans were in power in those cities?

That would be consistent with the research. Not that gang violence is the fault of Democrats and that it wouldn't
exist if the Republicans were in power in those cities, but that the usual suspects would suggest that.
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby tantor » Sep 12th, 2019, 4:59 pm

Heroin is banned, meth is banned, cocaine is banned. How are all those bans working out folks? Look now fentenayl is super extra illegal so it's use is dropping right lol. Super regulating anything makes it far more lucrative to the black market. As these things rise in value on the black market, crime rises right along with it. You could ban cigarettes tomorrow and the day after people will be getting murdered over them. If gun bans worked Mexico would not have some of the highest gun homicide rates on the planet. The government is absolutely the worst candidate to fix anything! Canada's justice system is a joke, the criminals have more rights than honest citizens, I don't trust them to fix anything. You can ban law abiding citizens from owning firearms but that is not going to stop or slow down criminals and nutcases from killing period. Your super happy murder free utopia does not exist. Especially in countries where the citizens have been disarmed. In some of those countries it is the government that does the mass shootings but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings. I love the ol adage "I have never felt the need to own a gun" lol. Yup most people never do and the ones that did wish they had one in the heat of the moment when it would have mattered are not around to tell you that they have changed their mind. You may drive around with your seat belt on for 40 years and never actually have needed it, but if and when the day comes that you get into that accident you will surely be glad it was there. When a bad situation is going to come your way it surely will not give a rats *bleep* about what your feelings are lol.
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby tantor » Sep 12th, 2019, 5:16 pm

OKkayak wrote:
Johnnycheese wrote:Almost every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... they were all taking or had just finished taking
SSRI drugs or anti depressants! This is the real problem but the government and MSM would rather you didn't know about this fact!

Yet every mass shooting in history has one thing in common:

They all used guns.


And in the much higher death rates in motor vehicle accidents they all used motor vehicles.

We could say dumb things all day but his point is valid. Guns didn't kill anyone, people using the guns are what killed someone and the why the person wanted to kill is the real issue. It is just as easy to sneak up behind you with an assault hammer and wack you and it's real quiet. If you think not you are truely kidding yourself. Many a family have been wiped out at the end of a hammer. 5 bucks and no background check. So here we are back to why did the person want to kill? That is the only place the solution will reveal itself. You can blame an object into infinity, it won't solve a damn thing.

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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby spooker » Sep 12th, 2019, 5:57 pm

tantor wrote:
And in the much higher death rates in motor vehicle accidents they all used motor vehicles.

We could say dumb things all day but his point is valid. Guns didn't kill anyone, people using the guns are what killed someone and the why the person wanted to kill is the real issue. It is just as easy to sneak up behind you with an assault hammer and wack you and it's real quiet. If you think not you are truely kidding yourself. Many a family have been wiped out at the end of a hammer. 5 bucks and no background check. So here we are back to why did the person want to kill? That is the only place the solution will reveal itself. You can blame an object into infinity, it won't solve a damn thing.


That's deflecting from the issue that if assault rifles weren't readily available the people who want to kill people would have a lower body count ... sure, get a large enough crowd together and someone can take out just as many with a car, god forbid we ban the car! but even as unskilled as I am I'd rather go up against a knife over a gun any day ...
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby 1791 » Sep 12th, 2019, 6:04 pm

spooker wrote:
tantor wrote:
And in the much higher death rates in motor vehicle accidents they all used motor vehicles.

We could say dumb things all day but his point is valid. Guns didn't kill anyone, people using the guns are what killed someone and the why the person wanted to kill is the real issue. It is just as easy to sneak up behind you with an assault hammer and wack you and it's real quiet. If you think not you are truely kidding yourself. Many a family have been wiped out at the end of a hammer. 5 bucks and no background check. So here we are back to why did the person want to kill? That is the only place the solution will reveal itself. You can blame an object into infinity, it won't solve a damn thing.


That's deflecting from the issue that if assault rifles weren't readily available the people who want to kill people would have a lower body count ... sure, get a large enough crowd together and someone can take out just as many with a car, god forbid we ban the car! but even as unskilled as I am I'd rather go up against a knife over a gun any day ...




Pretty easy to chain a door and set a fire. Guns are just tools.
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby lesliepaul » Sep 12th, 2019, 6:33 pm

I cannot recall the last time a "Full-Auto" Assault Rifle was used in the U.S. at ANY of these mass shootings. What were used were "Semi-Auto" hunting rifles...…….some of them with a "menacing" look to them. Some of the kids Nerf Guns look even MORE menacing.

As far as hammers go, I would think you would need one in each hand and two more hanging off your work belt for the claim "Assault Hammers"...…….then the cries from the "left"...……"nobody needs more than one hammer".

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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Scorp » Sep 13th, 2019, 6:24 am

Video imbedded.

"'Simply Unacceptable.' 145 Major Business Leaders Pen Letter to Senate Asking For Action on Gun Violence"

http://time.com/5675678/ceo-business-le ... ce-letter/
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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby 1791 » Sep 13th, 2019, 6:27 am

Scorp wrote:Video imbedded.

"'Simply Unacceptable.' 145 Major Business Leaders Pen Letter to Senate Asking For Action on Gun Violence"

http://time.com/5675678/ceo-business-le ... ce-letter/



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Re: Take a stand on guns you say??

Postby Silverstarqueen » Sep 13th, 2019, 6:54 am

tantor wrote:
OKkayak wrote:Yet every mass shooting in history has one thing in common:

They all used guns.


And in the much higher death rates in motor vehicle accidents they all used motor vehicles.

We could say dumb things all day but his point is valid. Guns didn't kill anyone, people using the guns are what killed someone and the why the person wanted to kill is the real issue. It is just as easy to sneak up behind you with an assault hammer and wack you and it's real quiet. If you think not you are truely kidding yourself. Many a family have been wiped out at the end of a hammer. 5 bucks and no background check. So here we are back to why did the person want to kill? That is the only place the solution will reveal itself. You can blame an object into infinity, it won't solve a damn thing.


Would you like to tell us how many Americans have been killed with a hammer compared to with a gun? per year?
In countries where guns are not so commonly held by private individuals, the death rates are far lower.(Britain, Japan, Germany, Canada). Even the suicide rates are lower. How do you kill 20,30,40 people in a few minutes with a hammer or a knife? So these countries have solved a damn thing, not the whole damn thing, but if the U.s. gun death rate was brought down to the level of some of these other countries, thousands of lives saved every year.
If someone is a sane, lawabiding individual who likes to hunt or target shoot, there's no problem with that, they don't need a weapon of war to do that. People don't care about the "scarey" looking guns, it's burying their loved ones, and children that they are trying to stop.

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