Locals charged with child porn

[daria]

yes, society's moral rudder is in a constant flux - fortunately we passed the 13 year old pregnant bride is acceptable part a long time ago...

In our society yes but unfortunately there are still some in this day and age where child brides are still considered acceptable.

I did mention that those current societies are patriarchal in nature (not that patriarchy has gone away in Western society!).

nextimearound Would you want to see our society's rudder swing backwards in the direction where pedophilia is acceptable? Because otherwise, there was absolutely NO point to your comparison between then and now!

What he is charged with is reprehensible, and if he didn't want his name publicized in connection with these (alleged) crimes he shouldn't have left himself open to in such charges based on his disgusting 'predilections!' I think some of his apologists forget that he was also charged with child pornography, not just attempting to lure what turned out to be an RCMP member!

[kompili]

It is to bad that this is the best we have to protect our children.

[omisimaw]

Apologists? Who are you referring to as I note you have used this term several times. Discussion on a subject and having an opposite view to yours does not mean that a person is apologizing for the alleged actions of an accused party.

Take the accused out of the equation and you have a subject that is interesting. From all of the condemnation being displayed it is apparent it is also a subject that needs to be discussed and examined to, if nothing else, put a stop to all this fear mongering taking place.

The crime in itself is also not one that is in any way shape of form solely linked to males past the age of 18 preying on females. Amazingly enough however it has brought to the surface the very real fact that the vast majority (as you like to view yourselves) have an extremely narrow and shallow understanding with respect to the subjects of sexual fetish, pedophilia and the legal system.

When an information is put forward for consideration of charges against an individual it is important to add in everything and anything that is felt to be relevant, whether circumstantial or not. The Crown has a set of standards that they also then apply to this information to determine first if a charge, or charges are relevant. Once a decision is made to lay charges they too will often throw in everything they can to the mix as it is far easier to drop a charge than to add a charge on after the fact.

Therefore, to read in a media article that Miss or Mr have been "charged" does not in any way infer that they are guilty of all or any of the actual laid charges. The laws surrounding pornography and in particular those with child involvement have been evolving since the 1980's and in those days the internet was not even available. There are many pro's and con's to this evolution, some to the good and some controversial and being challenged by civil libertarians. This is our democratic way.

As the law evolves there will be more changes as has been seen in the past. But the one thing that has not changed and will not change is the fact that when a person is charged they are innocent until it can be shown that they are not.

At this juncture in time it is interesting to look at the what if's. What if this accused is found guilty of all charges, what are the consequences, the sentencing stage of these crimes. It would also be interesting to see if anything took place yesterday as that was the date specified as the next appearance in this particular story.

[omisimaw]

There is usually an investigation before the sting, and after the sting, there is evidence is collect. If there is enough evidence, then they lay charges like in Mr. Prestons case.

Would you care to share with the board members where you have obtained your information on the actions of law enforcement and the subsequent laying of charges?

[Xia33]

Common sense?

[WeatherWoman]

Like another poster here who has taken psychology courses and studies, you have failed to recognize that pedophilia doesn't equate to fetishes. If you want to state that pedophilia equates to paraphilias then that would be correct.

[Bsuds]

Would you care to share with the board members where you have obtained your information on the actions of law enforcement and the subsequent laying of charges?

For someone who rarely answers questions about her sources then why should anyone answer your question.

Seem like this thread is going nowhere but bantering back and forth. It gotten a bit ridiculous.

Omisimaw is correct in that someone is innocent till proven in court to be guilty.

On the other hand I certainly would not want my grandkids to be left alone with either of the men who have been charged whether they are guilty or not I will not take that chance!

[nextimeround]

I am incensed by the idea that there are individuals who defend deviant behaviours, let alone doing so by obfuscation. I can’t understand how defense lawyers get past it when it takes such measures to evade justice.

It is my opinion, that a true supporter would do so away from the public’s view and allow the process to take place. .

Although I agree with most of what you say here, you might consider that deviant behavior is a subjective term (i.e. in the eye of the beholder). Therefore public debate, and this forum is about as close as we get in this age, is healthy and valuable. Remember it was not that long ago that a 13 year old girl would commonly be betrothed and possibly on her way to giving birth. I don't personally condone this but it was the prevailing attitude of society of the time.

The moral views of society at a point in time is extremely relevant, whether current or past, as are views of other societies. I am friends with a great couple who married when she was 15 years old. They had children and still live very happily. Some people today, perhaps on this forum, think that same sex relationships are deplorable and deviant behaviour. So pleas spare me the indignation.

[Swoop]

I am incensed by the idea that there are individuals who defend deviant behaviours, let alone doing so by obfuscation. I can’t understand how defense lawyers get past it when it takes such measures to evade justice.

It is my opinion, that a true supporter would do so away from the public’s view and allow the process to take place. .

Although I agree with most of what you say here, you might consider that deviant behavior is a subjective term (i.e. in the eye of the beholder). Therefore public debate, and this forum is about as close as we get in this age, is healthy and valuable. Remember it was not that long ago that a 13 year old girl would commonly be betrothed and possibly on her way to giving birth. I don't personally condone this but it was the prevailing attitude of society of the time.

The moral views of society at a point in time is extremely relevant, whether current or past, as are views of other societies. I am friends with a great couple who married when she was 15 years old. They had children and still live very happily. Some people today, perhaps on this forum, think that same sex relationships are deplorable and deviant behaviour. So pleas spare me the indignation.

...the only indignation here is some of you spinning comments to the point of actually attempting to make excuses for the accused's behaviour...

[omisimaw]

...the only indignation here is some of you spinning comments to the point of actually attempting to make excuses for the accused's behaviour...

Excuses? Please identify one, just one, such excuse.... the indignation is the continual fear mongering by some and their total lack of understanding of both the law and the subject matter at hand.

[dogspoiler]

The subject matter is ilegal because the law says so. Clear ?

[Catz]

removed.

[omisimaw]

Like another poster here who has taken psychology courses and studies, you have failed to recognize that pedophilia doesn't equate to fetishes. If you want to state that pedophilia equates to paraphilias then that would be correct.

To be more to the point:

Paraphilias are problems with controlling impulses that are characterized by recurrent and intense sexual fantasies, urges, and behaviors involving unusual objects, activities, or situations not considered sexually arousing to others. In addition, these objects, activities, or situations often are necessary for the person's sexual functioning. With a paraphilia, the individual's urges and behaviors cause significant distress and/or personal, social, or career problems. Someone with a paraphilia may be referred to as "kinky" or "perverted," and these behaviors may have serious social and legal consequences.

What Behaviors Are Considered Paraphilias?

Exhibitionism ("Flashing")
Fetishism
Frotteurism
Pedophilia
Sexual Masochism
Sexual Sadism
Transvestitism
Voyeurism ("Peeping Tom")
How Common Are Paraphilias?
Most paraphilias are rare and are more common among males than among females (about 20 to 1 of males to females). However, the reason for this disparity is not clearly understood. While several of these disorders are associated with aggressive behavior, others are not aggressive or harmful. Some paraphilias -- such as pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, sadism, and frotteurism -- are criminal offenses.
What Causes Paraphilia?
It is not known for certain what causes paraphilia. Some experts believe it is caused by a childhood trauma, such as sexual abuse. Others suggest that objects or situations can become sexually arousing if they are frequently and repeatedly associated with a pleasurable sexual activity. In most cases, the individual with a paraphilia has difficulty developing personal and sexual relationships with others.

[Swoop]

...the only indignation here is some of you spinning comments to the point of actually attempting to make excuses for the accused's behaviour...

Excuses? Please identify one, just one, such excuse.... the indignation is the continual fear mongering by some and their total lack of understanding of both the law and the subject matter at hand.

...gladly - stop equating pedophilia to a fetish...

[omisimaw]

The subject matter is ilegal because the law says so. Clear ?

No, not clear at all.
Are you suggesting that it is illegal to discuss the subject? If so please quote the law that states this.