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MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Fixer 166 » Dec 7th, 2012, 2:44 pm

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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Lady tehMa » Dec 7th, 2012, 8:49 pm

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Would be great to see him win . . .
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Fixer 166 » Dec 9th, 2012, 9:31 am

Here's what I could find.
Good fight, and looking good in the post fight interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEUkR8FoBuI
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby cutter7 » Dec 9th, 2012, 10:52 am

excellent fight! exciting to see a locally trained boy (toshido) at the top of the fight game.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby rutland1 » Dec 9th, 2012, 12:41 pm

Great fight by Rory, but he loses on class in his interview at the end.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Fancy » Dec 9th, 2012, 12:55 pm

Wasn't impressed by the hot dogging it or the interview but good on him for winning. Might reconsider how he acts after reviewing the footage.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby dcipher » Dec 9th, 2012, 3:03 pm

rutland1 wrote:Great fight by Rory, but he loses on class in his interview at the end.


Completely lost all respect for him when he started showboating. Repeatedly. We all know BJ Penn isn't what he used to be. No need to rub it in, particularly on a guy at the end of his storied career. Talk about dancing on the grave.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Gilchy » Dec 10th, 2012, 10:37 pm

Meh, Penn was chirping before the fight, and was looking for a way to knock GSP's gym down, and thought his best way would be to beat MacDonald. Rory's only 23, can't blame him for being a little cocky. Nobody complained about Silva when he did the same thing.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby knowledgeisking » Dec 11th, 2012, 6:04 pm

Read up on the subject and you will see Macdonald is fast becoming one of the most disliked fighters in the UFC both by other fighters and fans of the sport. Not sure why he would go out of his way to accomplish that unless he is just a jerk without trying. His fights might get watched because of that but wouldn't his merchanding suffer as well?

Either way when he gets his lights knocked out sooner than later there will be a lot of people applauding
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby dcipher » Dec 11th, 2012, 6:18 pm

Gilchy wrote:Meh, Penn was chirping before the fight, and was looking for a way to knock GSP's gym down,


Pre-fight gamesmanship is qualitively different from in-ring showboating over a struggling opponent. I think most competitors agree with me, as evidenced by both their words, and the fact that the latter behavior is strikingly uncommon given the abundance of the former.

As to GSP's gym. Nothing could tarnish anyone associated with Rory, including Kelowna, more than voluntary behavior of this kind. I would much rather be associated with a sportsmen-like athlete who lost, than behavior of this sort, and I hope I am not the only one.
Gilchy wrote: and thought his best way would be to beat MacDonald. Rory's only 23, can't blame him for being a little cocky.


UNBELIEVABLE. I have known 12 yr olds in boxing, 12 yr olds in martial arts, in fact, young kids in every sport I've participated or coached in who knew that showboating was ugly and disrespectful, AND were able to contain themselves. To suggest that a TWENTY THREE (!) yr old professional athlete should not be held accountable for this is to set the one's expectations/standards astonishingly low.
Gilchy wrote:Nobody complained about Silva when he did the same thing.


1.This is simply a lie. Many have complained about Silva showboating. In fact, none other than Dana White, who is hardly the epitome of class, and who has a vested interest in not judging his fighters harshly, once called Silva's showboating "disgraceful".
2.The statement is both irrelevant and irrational: people's judgment of Silva's behavior does not inform us as to the morality of Rory's behavior. In fact, that logical disconnect is so extreme as to be troubling.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby dcipher » Dec 11th, 2012, 6:30 pm

knowledgeisking wrote:Read up on the subject and you will see Macdonald is fast becoming one of the most disliked fighters in the UFC both by other fighters and fans of the sport. Not sure why he would go out of his way to accomplish that unless he is just a jerk without trying. His fights might get watched because of that but wouldn't his merchanding suffer as well?

Either way when he gets his lights knocked out sooner than later there will be a lot of people applauding


I also wondered if that was his angle...trying to be a bad boy for monetary gain. After his post-fight excuses I think that either he is:

1.trying to build a heel image for commercial gain

or

2.is simply a bit of a dullard....and a jerk

When he now tries to claim that he wasn't showboating but rather, showing variety to mix it up...it is of course laughable. It's also somewhat insulting to anyone that knows the sport, to suggest that as a plausible explanation. In essence: it's insulting to be fed such a ridiculous line.

Having said that, he isn't doing #1 very well either. He'd be a more "respectable" bad boy, if he simply said "yep, I was showboating, that's what I do, I talk big, and I back it up, and anybody who wants to shut me up can try!" Passive-aggressive lies aren't particularly endearing even to people who like the bad boy gimmick.

Were he straight-up man he could also have said "yes, I'd like to apologize for that. I'm got carried away there...the heat of the moment, and I was so pumped up going into that fight...at the end of the day, I have great respect for Penn's legacy, and I didn't mean to detract from that."

As it is, he has shown me by both his in-fight behavior, and his post-fight retrospective thoughts, that he is indeed a punk. Unfortunate, but obviously, the ability to fight does not require class, respect, or honor.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby knowledgeisking » Dec 12th, 2012, 10:01 am

I also wondered if that was his angle...trying to be a bad boy for monetary gain. After his post-fight excuses I think that either he is:

1.trying to build a heel image for commercial gain

or

2.is simply a bit of a dullard....and a jerk

When he now tries to claim that he wasn't showboating but rather, showing variety to mix it up...it is of course laughable. It's also somewhat insulting to anyone that knows the sport, to suggest that as a plausible explanation. In essence: it's insulting to be fed such a ridiculous line.

Having said that, he isn't doing #1 very well either. He'd be a more "respectable" bad boy, if he simply said "yep, I was showboating, that's what I do, I talk big, and I back it up, and anybody who wants to shut me up can try!" Passive-aggressive lies aren't particularly endearing even to people who like the bad boy gimmick.

Were he straight-up man he could also have said "yes, I'd like to apologize for that. I'm got carried away there...the heat of the moment, and I was so pumped up going into that fight...at the end of the day, I have great respect for Penn's legacy, and I didn't mean to detract from that."

As it is, he has shown me by both his in-fight behavior, and his post-fight retrospective thoughts, that he is indeed a punk. Unfortunate, but obviously, the ability to fight does not require class, respect, or honor.[/quote]

Yes, the "Ali Shuffle" would be a technique early in the fight when both fighters are on their game. Late in the fight when you have already beaten the crap out the other guy and the clock is winding down its showboating..
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Gilchy » Dec 13th, 2012, 5:38 pm

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UNBELIEVABLE. I have known 12 yr olds in boxing, 12 yr olds in martial arts, in fact, young kids in every sport I've participated or coached in who knew that showboating was ugly and disrespectful, AND were able to contain themselves. To suggest that a TWENTY THREE (!) yr old professional athlete should not be held accountable for this is to set the one's expectations/standards astonishingly low.

...

1.This is simply a lie. Many have complained about Silva showboating. In fact, none other than Dana White, who is hardly the epitome of class, and who has a vested interest in not judging his fighters harshly, once called Silva's showboating "disgraceful".
2.The statement is both irrelevant and irrational: people's judgment of Silva's behavior does not inform us as to the morality of Rory's behavior. In fact, that logical disconnect is so extreme as to be troubling.


Did I say I approved of Macdonald's behaviour? No. I simply don't think it's that big of a deal. Certainly not serious enough to "tarnish anything involved with Rory, including Kelowna". I personally don't feel tarnished because Rory did the shuffle.

It's gamemanship. Should he have rubbed it in a badly beaten opponent's face? No, of course not. But it's hardly "immoral" bevaviour, simply a little rude and disrespectful. I apologize if my logical disconnects trouble you. In a sport where two people do their best to hurt one another, a little showboating is hardly the make or break on ethics.
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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Gilchy » Dec 13th, 2012, 5:39 pm

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Re: MacDonald, UFC Talent

Postby Liquidnails » Dec 13th, 2012, 9:15 pm

Most of the fighters seem like king sized d-bags to me. I don't know how much of that is theatrics, and how much is genuine. I see GSP as a pretty respectable guy and I hope he and his camp have something to say to the kid.
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