Friday, July 25th11.1°C
22716
21453

Driving: A Privilege Or Right?

Home of the Traffic Rant. A place to gripe about traffic. Solutions welcome too.

Moderators: oneh2obabe, Jo, ferri, Triple 6

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby zyzzx » Aug 22nd, 2012, 3:42 pm

My god!

You are actually debating this?

Opens a grade 2 dictionary...

Grade 2 dictionary wrote:priv·i·lege
   [priv-uh-lij, priv-lij] Show IPA noun, verb, priv·i·leged, priv·i·leg·ing.
noun
1.
a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most: the privileges of the very rich.
2.
a special right, immunity, or exemption granted to persons in authority or office to free them from certain obligations or liabilities: the privilege of a senator to speak in Congress without danger of a libel suit.
3.
a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special rightor immunity, under certain conditions.
4.
the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.
5.
any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: We enjoy the privileges of a free people.
Doing drugs supports crime. Are you happy that you support crime? Just think how much society would save if you didn't support the criminals that are producing drugs. Medicinal? Good on you! That is why the Doctor gave you a prescription.
User avatar
zyzzx
Fledgling
 
Posts: 252
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Joined: Feb 14th, 2012, 8:44 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby FreeRights » Aug 22nd, 2012, 6:52 pm

Takin it easy ! wrote:Many say that driving is a privilege I have always been a believer that driving is a right here's why !
First of all one must work to attain a drivers license the end result of a long process of many hours of study,practice,testing and financial cost.
Secondly one must acquire a vehicle most of us work hard to do this.
Then one must purchase insurance for that vehicle.
So after all that work and expense one has earned the right to drive a vehicle, however if one is not a responsible driver and found to be unfit to drive then one should lose that right !

It is a privilege, because it is not covered as a right in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Although he had infinite patience, he was annoyed,
FreeRights
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2145
Likes: 3 posts
Liked in: 46 posts
Joined: Oct 15th, 2007, 2:36 pm
Location: Vancouver, BC

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby Woodenhead » Aug 26th, 2012, 12:50 am

It doesn't really matter. They're both made-up social-subjective constructs, and therefore non-concrete & fluid. (not to mention easily ignorable)
People don't use the castanet forum to discuss. They use it to preach & dictate.
User avatar
Woodenhead
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4121
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 158 posts
Joined: Jun 2nd, 2009, 2:47 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby dogspoiler » Aug 26th, 2012, 7:51 am

It's neither, it's a choice, you choose to get a licence or not, you choose to have a vehicle or not, you choose to act in a manner that will preserve both or not. It is simply a choice of one of the many available options open to us.
dogspoiler
Walks on Forum Water
 
Posts: 13678
Likes: 10 posts
Liked in: 722 posts
Joined: Feb 20th, 2009, 4:32 am

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby P_J_Manning » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:23 pm

Glacier wrote:A Right is given by law, and a Privilege has to be earned.

Driving is a Privilege. Practicing medicine is a Privilege. Posting on Castanet is a Privilege. Voting is a Right.


This^^
P_J_Manning
 
Posts: 20
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Joined: Feb 15th, 2012, 3:41 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby zzontar » Dec 13th, 2012, 3:05 pm

Glacier wrote:A Right is given by law, and a Privilege has to be earned.

Driving is a Privilege. Practicing medicine is a Privilege. Posting on Castanet is a Privilege. Voting is a Right.


Hmmmm, it's the rights and laws that enable one to obtain a license and also to lose it. If you can prove at 14 yrs old that you're a competent driver, you will not be able to drive through privilege of earning a license alone, but must wait until you legally have the right to obtain a license.
They say you can't believe everything they say.
User avatar
zzontar
Guru
 
Posts: 6722
Likes: 1 post
Liked in: 167 posts
Joined: Oct 12th, 2006, 9:38 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby Glacier » Dec 13th, 2012, 3:32 pm

A privilege can be taken away; a right cannot be taken away no matter what you do because it is given at birth. Everyone has the right to vote when they turn 18, and anyone has the right to follow due process for attaining their driving privileges when they turn 16. If they mess up bad enough they will lose this privilege.

Even if they don't mess up, a privilege can be taken away. The government could say, "in order to curb GHG, we are going to ban everyone from driving." Since driving is a privilege and not a right, this can be done.

____________________________________________
"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
"If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."
User avatar
Glacier
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 15924
Likes: 284 posts
Liked in: 992 posts
Joined: Jul 6th, 2008, 10:41 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby zzontar » Dec 13th, 2012, 4:08 pm

Glacier wrote:A privilege can be taken away; a right cannot be taken away no matter what you do because it is given at birth. Everyone has the right to vote when they turn 18, and anyone has the right to follow due process for attaining their driving privileges when they turn 16. If they mess up bad enough they will lose this privilege.

Even if they don't mess up, a privilege can be taken away. The government could say, "in order to curb GHG, we are going to ban everyone from driving." Since driving is a privilege and not a right, this can be done.

____________________________________________
"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."


Rights can be given and taken away as well, like the rights for inmates to vote, which they didn't have at birth. On another note, Canada's Chief Electoral Officer and the Deputy Chief Electoral Officer might consider voting as a privilege as it is not their right.
They say you can't believe everything they say.
User avatar
zzontar
Guru
 
Posts: 6722
Likes: 1 post
Liked in: 167 posts
Joined: Oct 12th, 2006, 9:38 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby Glacier » Aug 18th, 2013, 7:14 pm

The difference between a right and a privilege revolves around ownership. If you have ownership, then you have a right, but when it's something another entity owns it is a privilege. You have a right to drive your own car on your own land, but not so on a public road because you don't have sole ownership.

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=fjlzIBSFl0E
"If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."

2 people like this post.
User avatar
Glacier
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 15924
Likes: 284 posts
Liked in: 992 posts
Joined: Jul 6th, 2008, 10:41 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby Woodenhead » Aug 18th, 2013, 8:53 pm

Good post, Glacier. But I would add "both are subject to change, as laws / legislation may be amended." I mean, neither are concrete "things" - they're ideological / mental constructs.

But I'm being too analytical. lol
People don't use the castanet forum to discuss. They use it to preach & dictate.
User avatar
Woodenhead
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4121
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 158 posts
Joined: Jun 2nd, 2009, 2:47 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby jimsenchuk » Aug 18th, 2013, 10:20 pm

kgcayenne wrote:I think we are pretty damned privileged compared to some.


You may think you are, but you are not, the govt's have the power, not the people
The only effective answer to organized greed is organized labor.
jimsenchuk
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2115
Likes: 118 posts
Liked in: 93 posts
Joined: Nov 24th, 2011, 6:03 am

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby KL3-Something » Aug 20th, 2013, 1:15 pm

The courts at several levels have stated that driving a motor vehicle on roads in not a right

R. v. Ladouceur, 1990 CanLII 108 (SCC), [1990]

" . . . Proper laws and regulations are necessary to regulate the privilege of driving a motor vehicle on public thoroughfares. [Emphasis added]"


Galaske v. O'Donnell, 1994 CanLII 128 (SCC)

"The driving of a motor vehicle is neither a God-given nor a constitutional right. It is a licensed activity that is subject to a number of conditions, including the demonstration of a minimum standard of skill and knowledge pertaining to driving."


Buhlers v. British Columbia (Superintendent of Motor Vehicles), 1999 BCCA 114 (CanLII)

In summarizing Galaske v. O'Donnell stated: "In Galaske v. O'Donnell, 1994 CanLII 128 (SCC), [1994] 1 S.C.R. 670, at p. 686, it was noted that the driving of a motor vehicle is neither a God-given nor a constitutional right. Rather, it is a privilege granted by licence.

Then, in summarizing R. v. Pontes, 1995 CanLII 61 (SCC) stated:
" There is no fundamental right to drive a motor vehicle, any more than there is a fundamental right to own a gun or any other instrument of potential destruction. It is a privilege, a privilege which, sadly, is often abused with tragic repercussions. A legislature can provide for consequences which are to attach when this privilege is abused and stipulates standards of behaviour for continued licensing."


There are lots of other court decisions that state the same thing, that driving is a privilege, not a right. But to post them all would be kind of redundant since the above decisions come from the Supreme Court of Canada.
All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Just to be clear: The opinions expressed above are mine and do not represent those of any other person, class of persons or organization.
KL3-Something
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2791
Likes: 33 posts
Liked in: 441 posts
Joined: Feb 20th, 2011, 8:37 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby Woodenhead » Aug 20th, 2013, 2:19 pm

Whether a right or privilege: they are just words; merely subjective mental constructs. Heck, you can take away my "priv" to drive, and I can still drive without fear of being persecuted for it, situationally.
People don't use the castanet forum to discuss. They use it to preach & dictate.
User avatar
Woodenhead
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4121
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 158 posts
Joined: Jun 2nd, 2009, 2:47 pm

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby TMixer » Aug 23rd, 2013, 3:57 pm

As long as you have a license, it's your right to drive. Not too hard.
Socially anxious, anxiously social
User avatar
TMixer
Board Meister
 
Posts: 435
Likes: 18 posts
Liked in: 82 posts
Joined: Aug 21st, 2013, 9:10 am

Re: Driving A Privilege Or Right ?

Postby GordonH » Aug 23rd, 2013, 4:03 pm

TMixer wrote:As long as you have a license, it's your right to drive. Not too hard.


Throw this out their: Is getting a drivers license a right or privilege.

just wondering
When you have to start compromising yourself and your morals for the people around you, it’s probably time to change the people around you. Do what makes you happy, and do it a little better every day… and don’t forget to breath!
User avatar
GordonH
Guru
 
Posts: 8025
Likes: 305 posts
Liked in: 465 posts
Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane

PreviousNext

Return to Trials & Tribulations of Traffic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests