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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Always Sunny » May 16th, 2017, 9:28 pm

Take it easy there John Smith.

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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 16th, 2017, 9:39 pm

Always Sunny wrote:Take it easy there John Smith.

Come on - I'd be a bit more original than that - something a bit more exotic ;)
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Always Sunny » May 16th, 2017, 9:49 pm

Dizzy1 wrote:
Always Sunny wrote:Take it easy there John Smith.

Come on - I'd be a bit more original than that - something a bit more exotic ;)

Take it easy there John Smith
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby kgcayenne » May 16th, 2017, 9:53 pm

While we're on the topic, can I get some support down at the Mission Liquor Store? There's a real problem with fire lane blockers there, too. I'm just one little girl with only two middle fingers; I can't do it all by myself.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby What_the » May 17th, 2017, 4:52 am

I find flipping the bird satisfying; let's the :panic: :panic: :panic: out so I don't come here and rant.

I prefer the booze to sometimes do that
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Grandan » May 17th, 2017, 5:29 am

Dizzy1 wrote:OMG! Someone parked in front of a store! The sky is falling! :panic:

So what? Who cares? Is it that big of a deal someone actually has to make an effort to flip someone off? Are their lives that unhappy or do they feel that much more superior to all other road users? Never mind, I forgot - this is the OK Valley.

What is wrong with someone who thinks that it is ok to block the clearly marked NO PARKING FIRE LANE?
During busy periods it is a nuisance at best and life threatening at worst. I have seen several vehicles stacked up along the yellow line just past the entrance blocking the sidewalk drop where you need to run your buggy through, idiots! Bad enough that people sit in their cars there, at least they can be glared at, walking away and leaving it parked is totally selfish and ignorant.
I care a lot and have contacted the store to express my concerns. Now we are going to have to wait until someone is seriously injured before Superstore will act to keep this area clear of major obstructions. The city of Kelowna does not care because it is private property so don't bother going there. Write to Superstore and express your concern.
It is watchful citizens that help make our city safer, it is not just moving vehicles that make our streets a danger.
Don't get me started on parking on the crosswalk.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 17th, 2017, 8:24 pm

Grandan wrote:What is wrong with someone who thinks that it is ok to block the clearly marked NO PARKING FIRE LANE?

Where did I say it was OK to do so? I said I don't feel that its that big of a deal to warrant flipping someone off. There is a difference. According to many bylaws (Kelowna's might be different, hence my earlier question) what is the definition of parking. In many cities for example, there is a difference between no stopping and no parking - parking being defined as no one left in the vehicle. Further to that, even in no stopping zones, there may even be a time limit (3 minutes, 5 minutes) where you can legally stop a vehicle in the zone. So what do the bylaws say?
Grandan wrote:During busy periods it is a nuisance at best and life threatening at worst.

Life threatening? How many accidents and fatalities have occurred as of yet?


Grandan wrote:I care a lot and have contacted the store to express my concerns.

Which is the appropriate and grown up way to deal with the situation. Flipping someone off or just glaring at them is juvenile and useless. But if some people feel superior to others when they do that - have at it.
Grandan wrote:Now we are going to have to wait until someone is seriously injured before Superstore will act to keep this area clear of major obstructions.


Grandan wrote:The city of Kelowna does not care because it is private property so don't bother going there.

Exactly, its private property.
Grandan wrote:Write to Superstore and express your concern.

Again - appropriate action.

Grandan wrote:Don't get me started on parking on the crosswalk.

Which according to the BC MVA is illegal - one must park 6m away. There in lies the difference.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 17th, 2017, 8:24 pm

Grandan wrote:What is wrong with someone who thinks that it is ok to block the clearly marked NO PARKING FIRE LANE?

Where did I say it was OK to do so? I said I don't feel that its that big of a deal to warrant flipping someone off. There is a difference. According to many bylaws (Kelowna's might be different, hence my earlier question) what is the definition of parking. In many cities for example, there is a difference between no stopping and no parking - parking being defined as no one left in the vehicle. Further to that, even in no stopping zones, there may even be a time limit (3 minutes, 5 minutes) where you can legally stop a vehicle in the zone. So what do the bylaws say?
Grandan wrote:During busy periods it is a nuisance at best and life threatening at worst.

Life threatening? How many accidents and fatalities have occurred as of yet?


Grandan wrote:I care a lot and have contacted the store to express my concerns.

Which is the appropriate and grown up way to deal with the situation. Flipping someone off or just glaring at them is juvenile and useless. But if some people feel superior to others when they do that - have at it.

Grandan wrote:The city of Kelowna does not care because it is private property so don't bother going there.

Exactly, its private property. So unless there are specific bylaws concerning this, then why should they bother going there?
Grandan wrote:Write to Superstore and express your concern.

Again - appropriate action.

Grandan wrote:Don't get me started on parking on the crosswalk.

Which according to the BC MVA is illegal - one must park 6m away. There in lies the difference.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Bsuds » May 18th, 2017, 12:08 pm

I thought traffic laws were still enforcible in parking lots?
Wasn't there a discussion about Police giving out tickets for people racing around lots at night in the snow?
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 18th, 2017, 8:33 pm

Bsuds wrote:I thought traffic laws were still enforcible in parking lots?
Wasn't there a discussion about Police giving out tickets for people racing around lots at night in the snow?

So, what are the bylaws concerning stopping in a fire lane (if it even is one)? And what does the City of Kelowna have to do with the RCMP?
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby lightspeed » May 18th, 2017, 8:41 pm

Bsuds wrote:I thought traffic laws were still enforcible in parking lots?


Yes.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 18th, 2017, 8:43 pm

lightspeed wrote:
Yes.

Perhaps you could shed some light on my query? Bylaws concerning stopping in a fire lane in Kelowna?
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby kgcayenne » May 18th, 2017, 9:09 pm

This is an interesting article:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/sec.theglob ... vice%3Damp

....and here's the MVA part that deals with stopping. Like stopping in a crosswalk like they're all painted as such in a number of parking lots.

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws ... section189
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby Dizzy1 » May 18th, 2017, 9:20 pm

kgcayenne wrote:This is an interesting article:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/sec.theglob ... vice%3Damp

....and here's the MVA part that deals with stopping. Like stopping in a crosswalk like they're all painted as such in a number of parking lots.

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws ... section189

Good article.

Question number 1 - Where was he stopped? On a marked crosswalk or not?

Question number 2 - What are the legal definitions of crosswalk markings?

Question number 3 - Are there exemptions, for example malls that have signage to allow buses, loading/unloading - etc. to stop on a marked crosswalk? Village Green Mall comes to mind when buses were forced to park on the crosswalk to be able to use the wheelchair ramps.
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Re: Blocking a Lane at a Storefront

Postby lightspeed » May 19th, 2017, 5:55 am

Dizzy1 wrote:
lightspeed wrote:
Yes.

Perhaps you could shed some light on my query? Bylaws concerning stopping in a fire lane in Kelowna?


Section JJ should apply to marked or posted fire lanes.

If not, then section Z is pretty clear. Park in the parking bays. Simples.

https://apps.kelowna.ca/CityPage/Docs/P ... ations.pdf
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