Look up in the sky

[Corneliousrooster]

I've had several occasions to watch the direction of these jets in the past weeks... and it looks to me 90% of the trails & jets seems to point from / to Vancouver. I guess the Okanagan is just so close to the route we get all the traffic above our heads.

When you think the average speed for a commercial airplane is 1000km/h.. Vancouver is just a 15 minutes drive away. (Vancouver is damn close from here if we draw a straight line and not going around the mountains.)

Its a big country - these trails are everywhere (not just the okanagan)

[Fancy]

Well, unless you know what the air stream is like, humidity and temperature, it's hard to do anything other than guess what's going on up in the sky. Certainly no conspiracy at this point.

[Roadster]

Yet California, which is on the border with Mexico has no shortage of contrails......even in january.....

Again,,, global positioning,,, air traffic flow amounts over that area,,, don't pull a heart attack,,, move to Mexico,,, then you can find something else to worry about like the drug situation over there and how they seem to be finding mass graves and scary stuff like that,,, is one reason I have No desire to be near that country, sun or no sun, contrails or no contrails,,, happy moving :D

[Corneliousrooster]

I am not worried, I have no plans of moving, didn't say there was a conspiracy. Sorry I don't buy into yours (and others like you) overly simplistic explanations to what is clearly not "normal" .

To think that this is just normal atmospheric behavior stemming from aircraft just highlights your observation skills and lack of objective reasoning. Carry on.... :skippingsheep:

[Roadster]

I am not worried, I have no plans of moving, didn't say there was a conspiracy. Sorry I don't buy into yours (and others like you) overly simplistic explanations to what is clearly not "normal" .

To think that this is just normal atmospheric behavior stemming from aircraft just highlights your observation skills and lack of objective reasoning. Carry on.... :skippingsheep:

Or,,, maybe it highlights my experience in several areas of the aviation side of things above people like you who have none and spew scary thoughts to freak out the general public cos you know most with no experience will fall hard for your brain wash,,, do your sites ask for donations? That would explain a lot....

[Corneliousrooster]

Or,,, maybe it highlights my experience in several areas of the aviation side of things above people like you who have none and spew scary thoughts to freak out the general public cos you know most with no experience will fall hard for your brain wash,,, do your sites ask for donations? That would explain a lot....

So you imply I have no aviation experience, spew scary thoughts (all I "asked" was why no contrails over a section of Mexico in a 10 day period, that has significant air traffic - this is "scary"???? :ohmygod: ), my "brainwash"? My sites?

Ya - I can see I have come to the right place to engage in an intelligent discussion..... :spinball:

[Roadster]

Conspiracy talk is Not intelligent conversation,,,, just saying,,, many more threads that can fuel that level of conversation,,, this is just not one of them,,, seriously,,, you did make me laugh at the thought tho.

[goatboy]

So you imply I have no aviation experience, spew scary thoughts (all I "asked" was why no contrails over a section of Mexico in a 10 day period, that has significant air traffic - this is "scary"???? :ohmygod: ), my "brainwash"? My sites?

Ya - I can see I have come to the right place to engage in an intelligent discussion..... :spinball:

I would think a good place to start would be to compare aircraft movements over the block of sky you could see in Mexico vs the block of sky you can see here. I would happen to guess the concentration of aircraft over our patch of sky is a lot more than where you were in Mexico. Where in Mexico were you? There are also plenty of 10 day stretches here that have zero contrails as well.

[Corneliousrooster]

There are also plenty of 10 day stretches here that have zero contrails as well.

In 30 degree heat and 70% humidity - zero contrails.... not likely

I was in the riviera - Cancun has almost 500 flights per day (and there are other airports in the vicinity - plenty of airtraffic....

[Corneliousrooster]

Conspiracy talk is Not intelligent conversation,,,, just saying,,, many more threads that can fuel that level of conversation,,, this is just not one of them,,, seriously,,, you did make me laugh at the thought tho.

You do realize that you are the one that implied the conspiracy..... :ohmygod:

[Roadster]

You do realize that you are the one that implied the conspiracy..... :ohmygod:

Oh ya,,, OMG!!! :D

You do realize this is posted in the conspiracy forum for a reason dontcha? Also the OP has posted two of these threads and never come back,,, dontcha think it's here just for the fun of it? It's got ya all goin and that's likely what it's intended for.
If I really thought you could believe all this crap I'd be frustrated, it's a game like many of our game threads but it's in the conspiracy forum to separate it from the normal game style threads. I don't mind answering your questions even if they are of a conspiracy type,,, it's all good.
And I know you don't believe it anymore then the rest but it's a challenge some people like to take on to see how many fools they can dig out of the woodwork,,, I do it to people to for fun,,, but in a different way,,, you know bust a move on them and make em think I am gonna punch em in the gut for a reaction,,, can't play like that in web land so we do it this way,,, good for a laugh but some people get carried away with it like all them sites you guys frequent. Sad to say but some fall like a ton of bricks and I think you fell just as hard.
You remember not so long ago we were supposed to see the end of our world? Didn't happen, I didn't dig a big hole in my back yard and put a bus in there and I sure hope you didn't,,, really if we are gonna die because of a calendar or because the government is trying to kill us then maybe it is time,,, gotta go sometime,,, why not for a reason? :dyinglaughing:


Meanwhile, why not try to have a nice day instead of killing yourself with worry,,,?

[WhenWhatWho]

In 30 degree heat and 70% humidity - zero contrails.... not likely

I was in the riviera - Cancun has almost 500 flights per day (and there are other airports in the vicinity - plenty of airtraffic....

Plenty of traffic but it's all landings and departures. Most are not at speed or at an altitude high enough for the conditions required to form contrails.

[Corneliousrooster]

Plenty of traffic but it's all landings and departures. Most are not at speed or at an altitude high enough for the conditions required to form contrails.

So how far away from an airport is a reasonable distance to view contrails? (I was not stationed at the airport, it is just the main airport of the region - most of my time was spent several hundred kilometers away)

[Bsuds]

In 30 degree heat and 70% humidity - zero contrails.... not likely

I was in the riviera - Cancun has almost 500 flights per day (and there are other airports in the vicinity - plenty of airtraffic....

That bit of fact made me curious so I looked it up. Averages out to 326 flights per day. that's a lot but also a far cry from 500.
It would be flights overhead causing contrails anyway, not the ones landing/taking off in Cancun.

[Roadster]

So how far away from an airport is a reasonable distance to view contrails? (I was not stationed at the airport, it is just the main airport of the region - most of my time was spent several hundred kilometers away)

It has little to do with how far at all and this makes me know you don't have a lot of knowledge here in this category of understanding,,, aviation.

What matters is that you are under a main pathway like we are here,,, of flights cruising at altitudes meant for long distance flight where they would cause a contrail.

Like in Saskatchewan. Nice open skies,,, you might see flights passing over your head but in another spot in Saskatchewan you might see that grouping of Main Cruising pathways to your south or your north and so on depending on your ground area and Canada's main flight pathways. So it's definitely not everywhere but it's where the major flights tend to be in their planned flight path from one major point to another major point like Vancouver to Toronto. You will not see a contrail unless they are at cruising altitude where the weather type up there is very different from what it is below.
That is why people on the ground with no knowledge of this stuff can't really claim anything from what they see on the ground. And again when it looks high but like it could be nearly right over you it could be quite far from where you are actually standing. On a clear day if we see something to the south you nor I could say what area they are actually over,,, like Penticton or Osoyoos, or further. Contrails tend to stand out as if they are not far when lit up nicely by the sun. Just like you could be over the ocean at 35,000 ft and see ship lights on the water at night and they really don't look all that far down.
So let's say a good long distance from an airport to see IT's actual take offs and arrivals. Watch a plane leave from Kelowna airport and tell me if you think it reached 35,000 ft before it disappeared from your sight. Doubts are good, right?
You also have to know that a plane about to land doesn't just come down, he starts descending long before he gets near an airport he intends to land at. It's actually a long process and you must have flown before so you know this already.