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Would they say that better off having these ill-effects? hummmm I don't know about that. Why not fight the causing agents? nops, too much money involved everywhere, even on vaccines...

Two thousand schoolgirls suffer suspected ill-effects from cervical cancer vaccine
Thousands of schoolgirls have suffered suspected adverse reactions to a controversial cervical cancer vaccine introduced by the Government.



By Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent
Published: 9:00PM BST 12 Sep 2009

Doctors' reports show that girls of 12 and 13 have experienced convulsions, fever and paralysis after being given the vaccine, which is now administered in schools as part of efforts to prevent women developing cancer.

Others suffered nausea, muscle weakness, dizziness and blurred vision, according to a special report drawn up by drug safety watchdogs.

A support group says it has received dozens of calls from parents who believe their daughters have been damaged by the vaccine.

The parents of one teenage girl given the jab last autumn believe it was to blame for repeated seizures which have left her with brain damage and psychosis.

The immunisation programme for teenage girls is controversial because it protects them from the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus which causes 70 per cent of cervical tumours.

When the Government introduced the Cervarix vaccination programme last year, some campaigners dubbed it a "promiscuity jab".

Campaigners and families said the new figures showed the vaccination should not have been introduced via a mass programme.

More than one million girls have already been given the jab, which is offered to all as they enter their teens.

Until 2011 it will also be administered to older girls, so that all female teens below the age of 18 will be covered by the programme.

Ministers say that ultimately the scheme will save 700 lives a year, while drug safety experts insist the number of suspected reactions are outweighed by the benefits from the jab.

Most of the more than 2,000 suspected reactions recorded by drug safety watchdog Medicines and Health care products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) were mild, with dozens of girls recording rashes, pain in the arm, and allergies.

But the report prepared by the MHRA earlier this month also discloses cases in which teens have suffered convulsions, eye rolling, muscle spasms, seizures and hyperventilation soon after being given the jab.

The analysis by the MHRA, drawn up this month, found 2,107 patients had reported some kind of suspected adverse reaction to Cervarix. Several reported multiple reactions, with 4,602 suspected side-effects recorded in total.

Jackie Fletcher, founder of Jabs, a support group for families whose children have fallen ill after immunisation, said she had taken dozens of calls from parents who believed their daughters had been damaged by the cervical cancer vaccine.

She said: "We have spoken to parents whose daughters have had seizures, paralysis, blurred vision, severe headaches and the loss of feeling in parts of their body.

"Doctors will try to convince parents that these problems are in their child's mind, or have nothing to do with the vaccines, but we don't think there is sufficient evidence to show Cervarix is safe."

Medical safety experts insist the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.

They say many of the patients who experienced an "adverse" reaction to the jab since April 2008, including some who took part in drug trials or bought the drug privately, only suffered short-term side effects from the injection process, not as a result of the drug.

There was no evidence to suggest "isolated cases of other medical conditions" were actually caused by the vaccine, and not just a coincidence, the regulator's report said.

Cancer charities urged parents to continue allowing their daughters to have the jabs, saying the numbers were well within what would have been expected for a large-scale programme, and that most of the side effects were minor.

Robert Music, director of cervical cancer charity Jo's Trust said: "I can understand why parents would feel cautious, but this programme could reduce 70 per cent of cervical cancers.

We need to keep reviewing the evidence, but we would really urge parents to make sure their daughters have the vaccination."

Stacey Jones is one of those who believes she has suffered side effects from the vaccine. She was 17 when she had her first Cervarix injection.

Her parents Julie and Kerry, from Bilston, West Midlands, noticed her becoming increasingly emotional in the weeks following the first two jabs, but feared their "happy-go-lucky" girl had finally succumbed to adolescent moodswings.

Within four days of the third injection in March of this year, Stacey suffered an epileptic seizure, followed by 17 more in the following week.

She has now been diagnosed with a brain injury, caused by inflammation of the brain, and is being treated in an NHS rehabilitation unit in Birmingham, which helps her with basic tasks like making a sandwich.

Seizures are minimised by five types of medication, but her memory is badly damaged.

The family has been given no explanation for how the damage occurred. Mrs Jones, 44, said: "She was such a lovely, happy go-lucky girl, now she is just a shell.

"When we go to see her, she can't remember what she has just eaten for tea. The impact on her and all of us has been absolutely devastating. I feel she has been used as a guinea pig."

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes Cervarix, said the drug had to undergo rigorous testing, with over 70,000 doses used in trials before a licence was granted.

He said: "The UK medicines safety agency has reviewed all reported adverse events relevant to Cervarix and there is no evidence to suggest that the vaccine carries any long-term side effects.

"The symptoms this girl has experienced are clearly upsetting and it is understandable that the girl and her parents want to uncover the cause."
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Kinda hard to understand what yer saying. The "causing agents" are viruses, which the vaccine gives immunity.
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WhatThe wrote:Kinda hard to understand what yer saying. The "causing agents" are viruses, which the vaccine gives immunity.

and the vaccines are made with viruses plus mercury, and whatever else comes with it, and they try it on people first, than they check the side effects, not the other way around
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Scary speech by Bill "Gates of Hell":

Bill Gates Wants All New Borns to Be Registrated for Vaccines
Melanie D.G. Kaplan
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Bill Gates, co-chair and trustee of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, gave a keynote address yesterday at the mHealth Summit, an annual gathering that focuses on improving health care through mobile technology.

Gates told an audience of more than 2,000 that if we could register every worldwide birth on a cell phone, we could ensure that children receive the proper vaccines. He also said the key to controlling population growth is to save the lives of children under 5; and the next big thing in technology is robots.

Gates said computing technology has been great for health care, and there are plenty of opportunities to use the cell phone in clinic settings. Although he noted that some places which need mhealth technology the most may not be able to fully benefit from it.

“We have to approach these things with some humility,” he said. “There’s not Internet connections back there. Often [patients are too sick] for some cell phone thing to do something for them.”

Gates said the key health care metric that we as a society should be trying to improve is one that is in the front of his mind all the time–the number of children who die before age 5. Today, he said the number is 8.5 million; in 1960 it was 20 million.

“About one-third [of that improvement] is by increasing income,” he said. “The majority has been through vaccines. Vaccines will be the key. If you could register every birth on a cell phone—get fingerprints, get a location—then you could [set up] systems to make sure the immunizations happen.”

Gates said he’d like to see a birth registration system, and because it’s a new technology, “we should let 1,000 new ideas blossom.”

He said vaccination rates in poorer areas, such as northern Nigeria and northern India, are below 50 percent, and mobile technology could make a significant difference.

“When I think about the biggest impacts, I think aobut patient reminders,” Gates said. He explained that technology could help remind people to take the TB drugs regularly or remind mothers to do certain things in their child’s first year of life.

He also said technology will be important in monitoring the supply chain (i.e. making sure there aren’t counterfeits among vaccinations and medications) as well as saving lives on the ground. “Malaria and TB are going to be the first things where you say, ‘Wow, without this mobile application, all these people would have died.’”

Gates told the audience that there is no such thing as a healthy, high-population growth country. “If you’re healthy, you’re low-population growth,” he said.

While most of us assume that saving the lives of children will contribute to overpopulation, Gates said the contrary is true.

“The key thing, the most important fact that people should know and make sure other people know: As you save children under 5, that is the thing that reduces population growth. That sounds paradoxal. The fact is that within a decade of improving health outcomes, parents decide to have less children.

“As the world grows from 6 billion to 9 billion, all of that population growth is in urban slums,” he said. “Slums is a growing businesses. It’s a very interesting problem.”

He said no matter what we care about—the environment, schools, nutrition, conflict—the issues are insoluble at 3 percent population growth per year. “Nobody can handle that type of situation, so the best thing you can do is avoid those deaths.”

He said we are in a tough time for foreign aid, and governments are cutting their budgets in response to the financial climate. “The U.K. is quite exemplary,” he said. “They set aside their aid budget and are on track to keep their commitment. It will grow while they cut the rest of their budget. I hope it doesn’t get cut here in the U.S., but I’ll say I’m quite concerned that it will be.”

Gates said he has resorted to pleading for money. “I’m a beggar now,” he said. “I go around and beg governments for the final [millions of dollars] needed to eradicate polio. The financial component may be why it doesn’t get done.”

When asked what’s next in our technological advancement, Gates said there’s no doubt it’s robots. “If you don’t want to go to a convention,” he said, “just send a robot. “When we look at something like infant mortality, there’s a certain level you can’t get below if you can’t do C-sections.” He said doing a caesarean section delivery requires a sterile environment, but Gates said it’s fairly routine, so it could be done by a robot.

He said that we are moving from computers sitting idle while we type; to those that can see us and have high-end applications; to computers that allow us to move and connect with other users in applications like Xbox.

“Computers are learning to see, learning to talk ,learning to listen, learning to move around,” Gates said. “The dexterity things are maybe five years behind.” But he said once a robot learns a task, “it doesn’t forget how to do it. It can do it 24 hours a day.”

Gates used an example in South Africa to illustrate how health education doesn’t always lead to behavior change. He said the Gates Foundation partnered with the Kaiser Family Foundation to educate young people about HIV, with several types of outreach, including billboards. When interviewed, there was no question that the young people understood what caused HIV, but there were not significant behavior changes, because in their minds, the disease was in the distant future.

“If AIDS killed you immediately, things would be better because you’d see these piles of bodies outside bars [and think], ‘I don’t want to go in there… looks suspicious.’ It’s these discontinuities that are the problem,” Gates said. “If all the poor people lived in your neighborhood we wouldn’t have problems with foreign aid.”
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Bejvas wrote:
WhatThe wrote:Kinda hard to understand what yer saying. The "causing agents" are viruses, which the vaccine gives immunity.

and the vaccines are made with viruses plus mercury, and whatever else comes with it, and they try it on people first, than they check the side effects, not the other way around

I still don't follow. Yes vaccines are made with "dead" viruses, and yes there is mercury(squaline) as a stabilizer but less than a can of tuna. If you eat fish on a weekly basis you're exposed to more mercury.
Side effects, all drugs or vaccines have side effects, it's what's commonly known as "risk-benefit". Do the benefits outweigh the risks? In most cases yes.

And bill gates is right with his numbers. Massive vaccination programs have saved millions of childrens lives in the poorest and mostpopulated countries. Isn't it counter productive to save those lives if the end goal is to depopulate the earth?
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Bejvas wrote:
WhatThe wrote:Kinda hard to understand what yer saying. The "causing agents" are viruses, which the vaccine gives immunity.

and the vaccines are made with viruses plus mercury, and whatever else comes with it, and they try it on people first, than they check the side effects, not the other way around

First of all, the vast majority of Canadian vaccines do not contain mercury. Second, the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks in most cases. Small pox killed a lot of people.
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Better get to a dentist and get them fillings ripped out of your head if you are worried about mercury. :ohmygod:
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Keep believing your governments, experts and doctors, and keep approving the poison of everyday, you're on the right path.
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Made your appointment at your dentist yet? More mercury probably leaches out of your fillings in a single day than is in a vaccine.
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I had it done right at the first place, I knew all about this long ago, no amalgam, only enamel, I don't let them put poison in my mouth.

SpaceAddict wrote:Made your appointment at your dentist yet? More mercury probably leaches out of your fillings in a single day than is in a vaccine.
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Bejvas wrote:Keep believing your governments, experts and doctors, and keep approving the poison of everyday, you're on the right path.

Believe in opposed to whom?

Have you not been vaccinated? Aren't you happy that you won't or didn't get polio, small pox, diptheria and a whole host of other nasties?
Where's the counter arguement
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and who guarantees you that you would have gotten sick with these diseases if you didn't take the vaccines? the media and their probabilistic and statistics that scare that hell of everyone to make all run and line up for the vaccines?

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Bejvas wrote:Keep believing your governments, experts and doctors, and keep approving the poison of everyday, you're on the right path.

Believe in opposed to whom?

Have you not been vaccinated? Aren't you happy that you won't or didn't get polio, small pox, diptheria and a whole host of other nasties?
Where's the counter arguement
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WhatThe wrote:
Bejvas wrote:Keep believing your governments, experts and doctors, and keep approving the poison of everyday, you're on the right path.

Believe in opposed to whom?

Have you not been vaccinated? Aren't you happy that you won't or didn't get polio, small pox, diptheria and a whole host of other nasties?
Where's the counter arguement


Polio virus is the sole cause of polio is accepted by most people as gospel, and that the Salk and Sabin vaccines eradicated polio in the western world is etched into our collective consciousness as the major medical miracle of our time. But the history of polio and its vaccines is shrouded in a murky mist of politico/scientific manipulation, altered statistics, redefinition and reclassification of the disease, increased cases of vaccine induced paralytic polio, and monkey viruses transmitted by contaminated vaccines to millions of people worldwide."
Edda West

"Within a few years of the polio vaccine we started seeing some strange phenomena like the year before the first 300,000 doses were given in the United States childhood leukaemia had never struck in children under the age of two. One year after the first onslaught they had the first cases of children under the age of two that died of leukaemia........ Dr Herbert Radnor observed that in a small area of this little town, in an area where no cases of leukaemia had been expected or at the most one in 4 years according to previous statistics, they suddenly had a rash like an epidemic within a few blocks"
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Another little fact they don't want you to know about the noble work of Father Damien among the lepers of Hawaii, but we are not told that there was not one leper in the whole of the Hawaiian Islands before the noble work of Jenner reached them. By the nineties, 10 per cent of the natives were lepers."
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kompili wrote:Another little fact they don't want you to know about the noble work of Father Damien among the lepers of Hawaii, but we are not told that there was not one leper in the whole of the Hawaiian Islands before the noble work of Jenner reached them. By the nineties, 10 per cent of the natives were lepers."



I have researched the above noted posting and have come up with these results, that I will share with everyone.

The first documented case of leprosy occurred in 1848.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1 ... kai-hawaii


In early 1866, the first leprosy victims were shipped to Kalaupapa and existed for 7 years before Father Damien arrived.

http://visitmolokai.com/kala.html

In 1873, Father Damien deVeuster, aged 33, arrived at Kalaupapa. A Catholic missionary priest from Belgium, he served the leprosy patients at Kalaupapa until his death

http://visitmolokai.com/kala.html


Jenner = Edward Jenner was born on May 17 1749
http://www.zephyrus.co.uk/edwardjenner.html


Approximately 95% of people are naturally immune[7] and sufferers are no longer infectious after as little as 2 weeks of treatment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprosy


I did however, find one document that was the origin of the above noted quotation from the previous post.
It is an anti-vaccine website.
I would be happy to post the link upon request.
Conclusion:
(1) The dates that I have quoted, show that the original post that I am referring to; just don't jive.
(2) The quote in it's entirety, is misleading. Firstly, because there are no references or links to the quote that was "cut & pasted" from another website. It appears that this is an original statement, by the poster. Secondly, when examined more closely, and researched properly, the facts do not support the statement. Thirdly, there is no correlation between the statement and the topic of discussion.
(3) The poster of this statement in this particular thread, has failed to provide any evidence to substantiate his claim.

Personal Comments: I don't know what this person has against immunization and/or vaccination. I for one would not prevent my children/loved ones from obtaining medically approved "shots" based upon any of the comments or ramblings of this particular poster. To do so, could be dangerous to the health and well-being of the most important people in your family.
Before accepting any one's advice, please, do your own research and make an informed decision for yourself. Don't follow the lead of anyone that promotes such personal feelings that could endanger your health. The poster is not recognized medical practitioner, has no expertise in the area, makes claims based upon "cut & paste" from less than credible websites (without so much as a link to show the source), and has no more right to attempt to persuade anyone to join his line of thinking than any other Joe Smoe on the street.
Warning: Do not accept my word or the word of the previous poster as any kind of medical advise. Please search out someone that you trust with experience and knowledge in the area of "Modern Medical Practice". Your family MD would be an excellent start.
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