The vaccine's poisonous agenda

[kompili]

Simple, I want people to know the truth about the lies we have been feed over many, many years. As more and more people are getting better educate about health issues, many people are turning to Alternative medicine. The big drug companies have our doctors under their control. I am sure if you go to your doctor he will be more than happy to shut some poison into you or give you a prescription to cover up the condition for awhile.Make right choices when you go to the doctor, yes they have cures for something, but most of the drugs and vaccien's out there are to make the drug companies rich by harming you and your children.

[todayistheday]

Simple, I want people to know the truth about the lies we have been feed over many, many years. As more and more people are getting better educate about health issues, many people are turning to Alternative medicine. The big drug companies have our doctors under their control. I am sure if you go to your doctor he will be more than happy to shut some poison into you or give you a prescription to cover up the condition for awhile.Make right choices when you go to the doctor, yes they have cures for something, but most of the drugs and vaccien's out there are to make the drug companies rich by harming you and your children.

Do you have something to add that is "on topic" and/or have some source of reference to back up your statement? If you personally want to put all of your faith into "Alternate treatment" (I have purposely avoided the term medicine), then go ahead with your treatments. Have you also made the same commitments with the lives of your children? You have not provided ANY evidence (to date) that your personal choice of treatment has had any measurable/recordable results. (If they exist, please provide them now).
you refer to " I am sure if you go to your doctor he will be more than happy to shut some poison into you or give you a prescription to cover up the condition for awhile." Could you please explain that statement further? Just so that we can discuss this further on a level playing field.
I am willing and open minded to discuss the different methods of treatment. Everything from "Alternative" to traditional Chinese medicine" to "Modern western medicine" to "holistic". I am interested in any and all aspects/forms of healing and treatments for today's maladies. Please chose any subject of your choice, and lets compare notes.

[kompili]

My brother had been having trouble with his hip for years. Every 3 months another Cortisone Injection, heaven knows what that was doing to him. I recommended acupuncture. He goes once a month problem solved. He has just been diagnosed with heart trouble, guess what, the doctor says it could very well be from the cortisone injections.

It's the same thing over and over again, their drugs cause more problems than good.

[kompili]

I am willing and open minded to discuss the different methods of treatment. Everything from "Alternative" to traditional Chinese medicine" to "Modern western medicine" to "holistic". I am interested in any and all aspects/forms of healing and treatments for today's maladies. Please chose any subject of your choice, and lets compare notes.

Mntman1, I am really not interested discussing anything with you. I have been told by the mods to ignore you.

[todayistheday]

My brother had been having trouble with his hip for years. Every 3 months another Cortisone Injection, heaven knows what that was doing to him. I recommended acupuncture. He goes once a month problem solved. He has just been diagnosed with heart trouble, guess what, the doctor says it could very well be from the cortisone injections.

It's the same thing over and over again, their drugs cause more problems than good.

That is true, some drugs can cause other problems or acerbate underlying medical conditions. For example; heart drugs, hypertensive and antidepressant treatments can cause ED and/or can cause a lack of libido. Some of these conditions can be alternatively treated with natural remedies and can be greatly reduced by diet and exercise. I have no doubt that the natural methods could be better for the body as a whole but, these methods require that the patient makes some pretty serious lifestyle changes in order to obtain the same results as taking a pill once or twice a day. In the case of your brother, 2 minutes of Internet research will yield the following information.

Cortisone can have an adverse effect on people who are prone to congestive heart failure or have high blood pressure. If you have one or both health related problems, you must discuss the use of cortisone with your primary health-care provider, such as your family doctor, beforehand. In addition, it is strongly advised to have your primary health-care provider refer you to a medical rheumatologist as well.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_cortisone_ ... z16m1Vtbwh

The use of corticosteroids may cause psychic derangements ranging from euphoria, insomnia, mood swings, personality changes and severe depression to frank psychotic manifestations.

Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/alternative ... z16m1tCmqr
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Each and every patient should take personal responsibility for there own health-care. If you have a good doctor, you can openly discuss alternative methods with him after doing your own research.

For someone to use these public forums to advocate that all medicine is bad is nothing shy of irresponsible. The influence that you and your preachings could have over just one person might be the one that dies. And you wouldn't even know it.

For me to sit idly by and allow you to continue unchallenged would mean that I either agree with you or that you are correct in your personal beliefs. Neither is true. The condemnation of today's modern medical practices and dismissive attitude based upon one poster's experiences is just plain foolish, that could have devastating, irreversible affects on you, or your loved ones.

Likewise; to only accept any one avenue of treatment could be equivalent to doing nothing and just "let nature run it's own course". Human nature is one of the biggest detriments to mankind. Everyone today wants to take a magic pill and be well again. They are lazy when it comes to their own health-care. They do things that they know are bad for their bodies like drink alcohol, smoke, or do recreational drugs, but they do it anyways and they justify their actions with "It relaxes me" or "It makes me feel better".

Keeping that in mind, there are people that might just take your preachings as gospel, just because there is no one here offering a contrasting point of view. So therefore; since no one speaks against your opinion, you must be right. In fact, you are not right, and your opinions are dangerous.

[kompili]

Cortisone can have an adverse effect on people who are prone to congestive heart failure or have high blood pressure. If you have one or both health related problems, you must discuss the use of cortisone with your primary health-care provider, such as your family doctor, beforehand. In addition, it is strongly advised to have your primary health-care provider refer you to a medical rheumatologist as well.

The use of corticosteroids may cause psychic derangements ranging from euphoria, insomnia, mood swings, personality changes and severe depression to frank psychotic manifestations.

And there lays the problem, his health-care provider was the one giving him the stuff, it wasn't like he was doing it on his own. Plus his doctor was giving him high blood pressure pills. All they are, are drug pushers for the big drug companies. So all this you have posted of above just shows to put all your faith into your doctor is a big mistake. Cases like this happen constantly. I am not saying all medicine is not bad for you, but I would say 95% is because it has nothing to do with the doctors any more. The ones running the show are the big drug companies, and they don't give a damn about your health. They want you sick, so they can sell more medicine.

[todayistheday]

Cortisone can have an adverse effect on people who are prone to congestive heart failure or have high blood pressure. If you have one or both health related problems, you must discuss the use of cortisone with your primary health-care provider, such as your family doctor, beforehand. In addition, it is strongly advised to have your primary health-care provider refer you to a medical rheumatologist as well.

The use of corticosteroids may cause psychic derangements ranging from euphoria, insomnia, mood swings, personality changes and severe depression to frank psychotic manifestations.

And there lays the problem, his health-care provider was the one giving him the stuff, it wasn't like he was doing it on his own. Plus his doctor was giving him high blood pressure pills. All they are, are drug pushers for the big drug companies. So all this you have posted of above just shows to put all your faith into your doctor is a big mistake. Cases like this happen constantly. I am not saying all medicine is not bad for you, but I would say 95% is because it has nothing to do with the doctors any more. The ones running the show are the big drug companies, and they don't give a damn about your health. They want you sick, so they can sell more medicine.

Your brother is the one in charge of his health-care. He allowed the practitioner to inject him with a steroid. Your brother the choice as to what form of treatment to accept. He had the opportunity to ask questions and do his own research, either he was lazy and didn't make an informed decision or just blindly accepted the easy cure. (He has followed the natural path of human nature).
Yes, the doctors promote the use of drugs that they themselves believe will be best for the patients immediate relief. Doctors have learned from many years of first hand experience that 95% of their patients want the "magic pill". They oblige freely. If you have a good family doctor and he/she is aware of the patients wishes to be treated outside of what is considered "Western medicine", they would probably explain that there are alternatives available, but they either don't recommend them, or they have little or no credible evidence to be effective.
In reference to your statement: "The ones running the show are the big drug companies, and they don't give a damn about your health. They want you sick, so they can sell more medicine".
I don't believe for a second that they deliberately want you to remain sick or to exacerbate underlying conditions. They (the drug companies) want you to get well. After all, it is in their best interests that you do recover. You are the best advertising tool they have. If you have Cancer and you take one of their pills and you are well again, they have bragging rights and will make much more money from the wonder drug for all of mankind. Along with the bragging rights they gain a great deal of credibility for all of the other drugs that the manufacture in the present and the future. They would gain a great deal more from producing a "cure all" drug than they would from producing a bunch of so-so medications.
The problem is not with the drug companies or the doctors as you proclaim, but rather with the; end user/consumer/patient. For you to get on your soap box and condemn all drug companies and medical professionals is/continues to be irresponsible/uneducated/ill informed, close-minded and dangerous to anyone that believes your personal opinions and rantings.
I reiterate, everyone is responsible to make their own judgements based upon proper research. No one can inject or treat your medical concerns without your permission. Your lack of objection is considered implied consent.

[WhatThe]

So quite clearly all the thousands of researchers and s ientist are in on this "plot". Despite the fact that each of them for example, will have had someone in their immediate family has had or died of cancer. So they just watch people they Know die or get sicker so they can make more money for the corporation ? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Pretty sad to think the whole world is out to get you.

[kompili]

So quite clearly all the thousands of researchers and s ientist are in on this "plot". Despite the fact that each of them for example, will have had someone in their immediate family has had or died of cancer. So they just watch people they Know die or get sicker so they can make more money for the corporation ? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Pretty sad to think the whole world is out to get you.

Take a look and see how many of those scientist and researchers you talk about work for the big drug companies.

I didn't know there was a cure for cancer. Only some very expensive drugs. The researchers and scientist can not find nothing on how to cure cancer following the same old thinking that the drug companies have the cure. Some researchers have found cures through natural healing, but like you the scientist and researches turn a blind eye on these people. You see if there was ever a cure. The big drug companies would loose big time. It's like the guy that invented a car that ran on water in Brazil many years ago. Guess what that guy disappeared along with his invention.

It is very sad that you can't see how things are ran and you truly believe you are living in this wonderful world where everyone cares for each other. Grow up.

[todayistheday]

I am not sure as to why you would bring up a water powered car on a vaccine thread but, here is the info on it. If nothing else it is proof that not everything you write is well researched. I will look into the cancer part next. But if you have any links that you would like me to look at, I would be happy to recieve them.

The water fuel cell is a purported perpetual motion machine invented by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 21, 1998). He claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. The fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][2] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[2] Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Me ... _fuel_cell

Here is a copy of his patent:

[WhatThe]

So quite clearly all the thousands of researchers and s ientist are in on this "plot". Despite the fact that each of them for example, will have had someone in their immediate family has had or died of cancer. So they just watch people they Know die or get sicker so they can make more money for the corporation ? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Pretty sad to think the whole world is out to get you.

Take a look and see how many of those scientist and researchers you talk about work for the big drug companies.

I didn't know there was a cure for cancer. Only some very expensive drugs. The researchers and scientist can not find nothing on how to cure cancer following the same old thinking that the drug companies have the cure. Some researchers have found cures through natural healing, but like you the scientist and researches turn a blind eye on these people. You see if there was ever a cure. The big drug companies would loose big time. It's like the guy that invented a car that ran on water in Brazil many years ago. Guess what that guy disappeared along with his invention.

It is very sad that you can't see how things are ran and you truly believe you are living in this wonderful world where everyone
cares for each other. Grow up.

well, kompili, this is one of those times where it's better to thought of as fool than to remove all doubt.
First your lack of reading comprehension is abyssmal, those were the researchers I was talking about.
Two, if you stepped out from behind the wing nut conspiracy websites and you tube vids you would indeed know there is a cure* for cancer. My brother has been cured for 25 years. Besides him, if you new anything about this particular subject you would know survival rates have been steadily increasing to a high percentage when diagnosed early.
Three, if you're really suggesting that every oncologist, specialist, scientist and researcher is knowingly holding back "the cure", that they are emotionless corporate hacks that just shrug as they watch people ( read also as family members) suffer and perhaps die you seriously, seriously need physchological help.

* there are many variables that will determine survivability, such as -age, health, type ofcancer, environmental factors, early diagnosis etc.

[kompili]

well, kompili, this is one of those times where it's better to thought of as fool than to remove all doubt.
First your lack of reading comprehension is abyssmal, those were the researchers I was talking about.
Two, if you stepped out from behind the wing nut conspiracy websites and you tube vids you would indeed know there is a cure* for cancer. My brother has been cured for 25 years. Besides him, if you new anything about this particular subject you would know survival rates have been steadily increasing to a high percentage when diagnosed early.
Three, if you're really suggesting that every oncologist, specialist, scientist and researcher is knowingly holding back "the cure", that they are emotionless corporate hacks that just shrug as they watch people ( read also as family members) suffer and perhaps die you seriously, seriously need physchological help.

* there are many variables that will determine survivability, such as -age, health, type ofcancer, environmental factors, early diagnosis etc.

I don't think it has anything to do with my reading comprehension, it has more do with your mumble jumble way of expressing yourself.

That's what I said, there is a cure for cancer, but the big drug companies don''t have it. Yes there are wrong diagnosis of people having cancer and all they have is a fungus that could be cured with baking soda or magnesium Chloride but the doctors put them through chemo, and then figure they cured them. Mind you it makes a lot of money for the drug companies. I think there is only one fool here and that is you if you think the drug companies have your best interest at heart. I am not saying the scientist and researcher are knowingly holding back. It is the big drug companies that will not get onto the wagon and work them. Cures get pushed beneath the rug, there are no money in cures.

Here is a site about curing Cancer, and when you read it, go beneath and see what people have to say.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientists_cure ... kes_notice

[kompili]

This is just another cover up by the car companies and oil barons. Do you really believe everything you see. I seen the car in Brazil, I seen it run on water. The guy tried to contact the car companies. Big mistake, him and his car disappeared. Same with the scientist, they might have found the cure for cancer, but without the help of the drug companies, it is worthless.

I am not sure as to why you would bring up a water powered car on a vaccine thread but, here is the info on it. If nothing else it is proof that not everything you write is well researched. I will look into the cancer part next. But if you have any links that you would like me to look at, I would be happy to recieve them.

The water fuel cell is a purported perpetual motion machine invented by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 21, 1998). He claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. The fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][2] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[2] Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Me ... _fuel_cell

Here is a copy of his patent:

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[WhatThe]

This is just another cover up by the car companies and oil barons. Do you really believe everything you see. I seen the car in Brazil, I seen it run on water. The guy tried to contact the car companies. Big mistake, him and his car disappeared. Same with the scientist, they might have found the cure for cancer, but without the help of the drug companies, it is worthless.

did you really just say that?

[kompili]

This is just another cover up by the car companies and oil barons. Do you really believe everything you see. I seen the car in Brazil, I seen it run on water. The guy tried to contact the car companies. Big mistake, him and his car disappeared. Same with the scientist, they might have found the cure for cancer, but without the help of the drug companies, it is worthless.

did you really just say that?

Kind of hard to believe that there is life outside of the USA, isn't it?