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Postby BriTer » Aug 18th, 2016, 4:56 am

"Let there be smoke." And there was smoke. And it was gooooooood.

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Re: Contrails

Postby Nomaster » Aug 18th, 2016, 8:13 am

Thank you.

I was curious when the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory started.
Here's the answer. http://io9.gizmodo.com/is-that-reflecti ... 1638680856

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Re: Contrails

Postby Nomaster » Aug 18th, 2016, 8:16 am

My personal theory is that 4channers went apes-Schmidt crazy with it.

If you wanted to have a contest with like-minded tech savvy pranksters to see who could make the biggest conspiracy of them all .... I'd look at that group of individuals.

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Re: Contrails

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 18th, 2016, 3:57 pm

But what is true is govt does spray chemicals into our air and have done secret spraying

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Re: Contrails

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 20th, 2016, 8:30 pm

maryjane48 wrote:But what is true is govt does spray chemicals into our air and have done secret spraying

But what is not true is associating that, or cloud seeding, or crop dusting, with the contrails we see on a daily basis.
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Re: Contrails

Postby BriTer » Aug 22nd, 2016, 1:42 am

maryjane48 wrote:But what is true is govt does spray chemicals into our air and have done secret spraying


Oh my God no! Secret spraying!!

Hey.Wait. If it's a secret, how do you know?
"Let there be smoke." And there was smoke. And it was gooooooood.

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Re: Contrails

Postby Bsuds » Aug 22nd, 2016, 9:34 am

She knows "everything"!

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Re: Contrails

Postby BriTer » Aug 23rd, 2016, 1:13 am

Bsuds wrote:She knows "everything"!


zzzzinnnnnggggggggg!
"Let there be smoke." And there was smoke. And it was gooooooood.
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Re: Contrails

Postby Nomaster » Aug 23rd, 2016, 2:14 pm

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
That's why chemtrail conspiracy theorists FAIL the test.

http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/

http://www.nmsr.org/pilotsvu.htm
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Re: Contrails

Postby Straight Shooter » Aug 23rd, 2016, 9:58 pm

I just want to know if those jets flying high up in the sky creating the contrails are commercial jets, U.S. Air Force jets or our own military jets because we have no air-force except Canadian Forces Base?
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Re: Contrails

Postby GenesisGT » Aug 24th, 2016, 2:02 am

Straight Shooter wrote:I just want to know if those jets flying high up in the sky creating the contrails are commercial jets, U.S. Air Force jets or our own military jets because we have no air-force except Canadian Forces Base?


All of the above. The insignia on the side of the jet does not determine whether contrails will be created, contrail creation is based on the jet engine type, and the meteorological conditions at the altitude the jet is flying at.
Good judgement comes from experience. Where does experience come from? Poor judgement.

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Re: Contrails

Postby Nomaster » Aug 24th, 2016, 7:08 am

More planes, more routes....more contrails.

Simple.

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Re: Contrails

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 24th, 2016, 6:31 pm

Straight Shooter wrote:I just want to know if those jets flying high up in the sky creating the contrails are commercial jets, U.S. Air Force jets or our own military jets because we have no air-force except Canadian Forces Base?

99% of the aircraft you see are commercial aircraft - airliners, biz jets, cargo flights, etc. Whether they are creating contrails or not depends on the atmospheric conditions at altitude at the time the aircraft flies through.
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Re: Contrails

Postby Nomaster » Aug 25th, 2016, 8:43 am

I am not a pilot. I am a scuba diver though. And I an tell you that even a dive that only goes 60 m deep there can be huge variations in temperature. HUGE! This is called thermoclines.
I've gone on dives that were from comfortable tropical warm to absolutely chilly in 20 m. By the way, you can see a thermocline when you are about to break threw the 'wall' of colder water.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/thermocline.html

Now the atmosphere that planes fly in also has huge variations in temperature and moisture levels. A cloudless sky can still have pockets of moisture. From the ground level there is no way for an observer to see or detect those air temperature differences and the moisture pockets (except when there's enough moisture to form clouds.)

A typical commercial jet (most standard flights) cruises at around 28,000 to 35,000 ft (up to 6.6 miles of altitude). The main exception is Concorde which was designed to fly at a higher altitude (and hence lower wind resistance) at around 45,000ft.

These chemtrail conspiracy buffs want to ignore these facts.
More Planes, More Routes, More Flights at Higher Altitudes, and there's Moisture up there.

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Re: Contrails

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 26th, 2016, 8:36 am

^^^ Thermoclines while diving are amazing, just the sudden temperature drop that is literally instant is unreal.

My favourite argument with CTers is the "grid pattern" - apparently, they all assume that all airplanes travel in the same direction and on the exact same path. In the OK Valley for example, east/west traffic, we see many flights between Vancouver/Calgary or Toronto/Montreal. The Vancouver/Edmonton flights are more of a northeast/southwest direction. Flights from the Middle East/Europe to the Western US fly overhead the valley in a northeast/southwest direction. Put them together, and voila - a grid :200:
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