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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 12th, 2012, 4:53 pm

whoa!! how is it that the enormously wealthy are working harder than the rest of society? they can make their high yield velvet lined "investments" that not everyone has access to. and make money for doing nothing besides having capital sit there and grow. is that hard work? and then those people take that money and try to make sure that they dont pay more taxes. its silly and a waste of money. and it is a form of class warfare from the other side.
it will be interesting to me to see all the changes in our world and how emerging super economic powers will be when compared to the capitalist democratic free for all market fiasco. china and russia have merged capitalism and forms of communism and it will be interesting to see how things are different from a left leaning slant. democratic capitalist nations are hanging on by their fingernails and that either means that it is a system that has failed the experiment - or have been so irresponsible and have let it be prostituted to such an extent that things better change so it can be the balance in the world. otherwise we will end up with about 250 years of the new capitalist system like we have had so far with ours. i guess we need another tulip mania or dot com bubble so that people can make money and say that they work really hard for their money. :dyinglaughing:
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Gone_Fishin » Nov 12th, 2012, 4:57 pm

^^^ You're clueless about how hard successful people work. They carry a huge burden compared to a social justice activist like yourself who is simply there for the big party. That's why you'll never have the success that some of us have achieved, since wandering around with your hand out is not the definition of hard work.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 12th, 2012, 5:06 pm

i agree that you will indeed have to work very hard in the near future. as a minority who had insulation from taxes in the past i can only imagine all the effort and sweat on your brow trying to scramble and hide your "investments". the walls are closing in on all of us regardless of what class you feel you are from. hopefully there will be less dead money in our economy and we will be more competitive worldwide.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby goatboy » Nov 12th, 2012, 9:11 pm

sooperphreek wrote:i agree that you will indeed have to work very hard in the near future. as a minority who had insulation from taxes in the past i can only imagine all the effort and sweat on your brow trying to scramble and hide your "investments". the walls are closing in on all of us regardless of what class you feel you are from. hopefully there will be less dead money in our economy and we will be more competitive worldwide.


You keep talking about us having insulation from taxes. I have no insulation. I have my basic deductions and the rest is taxed at the correct amount. How much do you contribute monetarily to your just society? I'm guessing its considerably less than me and may be nothing at all.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby twobits » Nov 13th, 2012, 9:37 am

sooperphreek wrote:whoa!! how is it that the enormously wealthy are working harder than the rest of society? they can make their high yield velvet lined "investments" that not everyone has access to. and make money for doing nothing besides having capital sit there and grow. is that hard work? and then those people take that money and try to make sure that they dont pay more taxes. its silly and a waste of money. and it is a form of class warfare from the other side.
it will be interesting to me to see all the changes in our world and how emerging super economic powers will be when compared to the capitalist democratic free for all market fiasco. china and russia have merged capitalism and forms of communism and it will be interesting to see how things are different from a left leaning slant. democratic capitalist nations are hanging on by their fingernails and that either means that it is a system that has failed the experiment - or have been so irresponsible and have let it be prostituted to such an extent that things better change so it can be the balance in the world. otherwise we will end up with about 250 years of the new capitalist system like we have had so far with ours. i guess we need another tulip mania or dot com bubble so that people can make money and say that they work really hard for their money. :dyinglaughing:


Freak, the reality of your situation has come to your attention hasn't it? I mean the reality that you are an employee that works for someone else and always has. You have always only made an hourly wage or salary and that has been enough to cover your essential needs and maybe a few perks but not much more. Now you find yourself at a point in your life where you realize you really don't have a great deal of savings and the reality that you will probably have to work right up to the day of your 65th birthday before you can put down the pencil, wrench, or shovel and collect a gov't pension to do what......just continue existing further....with basic needs met.......and you don't like that do you? You failed to realize that you put yourself in this unenviable position with the life choices you made. Long ago, if you had any ambition at all, you could have educated yourself to a higher level or been entrepeneurial and risked your own capital and labour equity to build a business or enterprise that would have provided a brighter future. These avenues are open to all in this great country. Instead, you chose an easy path that was risk free in your view. You traded safety for the posibility of a better lifesyle. Now you want people that made better choices and were able to succeed to a higher level to pay even more than they already do proportional to you to compensate for your safe road path.
Let's assume we both graduated HS at the same time. You went to work, I went to university. You had a seven yr head start on me earning an income. I struggled working part time and summers and accuumulated 7 yrs of debt to put me in a hole. You continued in your "career" when I got out of university and started mine......my own business. So for a further ten years I worked 12 -14 hrs a day to make it a success and many months took no wage because there was nothing left after I paid the guys like you. You went home after 8hrs and turned on the hockey game while I continued to work on my future. Fast forward 20 yrs and the turtle has surpassed the hare. I am now a 10 percenter and earned every right to it despite whatever and however your socialistic addled brain works. If you think you deserve more of my paycheque because of your poor decisions, you are nothing but a petty jealous person with little or no ambition and even less mental capacity to understand why you are on the rung of the economic ladder of life that you find yourself on.

I missed a few hockey games but I sure do enjoy the season tickets I earned now and I ain't giving any of them to people with your entitlment attitude.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby LoneWolf_53 » Nov 13th, 2012, 10:21 am

twobits wrote: Fast forward 20 yrs and the turtle has surpassed the hare. I am now a 10 percenter and earned every right to it despite whatever and however your socialistic addled brain works. If you think you deserve more of my paycheque because of your poor decisions, you are nothing but a petty jealous person with little or no ambition and even less mental capacity to understand why you are on the rung of the economic ladder of life that you find yourself on.

I missed a few hockey games but I sure do enjoy the season tickets I earned now and I ain't giving any of them to people with your entitlment attitude.


I'd say you nailed it twobits. :smt023
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Gone_Fishin » Nov 13th, 2012, 10:47 am

:rate10: twobits!

We can add the guys like Nab to freek's inner circle who chose the safety of GICs over the more risky stock market too. Here's Nab calling down the corporations we invested in to provide jobs to thousands of people and build the infrastructure of the province. Just because his poor decisions have saddled him with a rate of return lower than inflation and he sees that he's losing ground daily (hence the worry over the 70¢ premium on his haircut), he's now screaming foul at our investments that actually did some good for society. Sad commentary on their poor choices in life.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby George+ » Nov 13th, 2012, 11:20 am

No one thinks corporations should not exist.

But they, and the top 10% ers, have got away with
many tax breaks in the last 10 years.

As Obama Whama has said-time to pay up!
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Urbane » Nov 13th, 2012, 11:36 am

    twobits wrote:Freak, the reality of your situation has come to your attention hasn't it? I mean the reality that you are an employee that works for someone else and always has. You have always only made an hourly wage or salary and that has been enough to cover your essential needs and maybe a few perks but not much more. Now you find yourself at a point in your life where you realize you really don't have a great deal of savings and the reality that you will probably have to work right up to the day of your 65th birthday before you can put down the pencil, wrench, or shovel and collect a gov't pension to do what......just continue existing further....with basic needs met.......and you don't like that do you? You failed to realize that you put yourself in this unenviable position with the life choices you made. Long ago, if you had any ambition at all, you could have educated yourself to a higher level or been entrepeneurial and risked your own capital and labour equity to build a business or enterprise that would have provided a brighter future. These avenues are open to all in this great country. Instead, you chose an easy path that was risk free in your view. You traded safety for the posibility of a better lifesyle. Now you want people that made better choices and were able to succeed to a higher level to pay even more than they already do proportional to you to compensate for your safe road path.
    Let's assume we both graduated HS at the same time. You went to work, I went to university. You had a seven yr head start on me earning an income. I struggled working part time and summers and accuumulated 7 yrs of debt to put me in a hole. You continued in your "career" when I got out of university and started mine......my own business. So for a further ten years I worked 12 -14 hrs a day to make it a success and many months took no wage because there was nothing left after I paid the guys like you. You went home after 8hrs and turned on the hockey game while I continued to work on my future. Fast forward 20 yrs and the turtle has surpassed the hare. I am now a 10 percenter and earned every right to it despite whatever and however your socialistic addled brain works. If you think you deserve more of my paycheque because of your poor decisions, you are nothing but a petty jealous person with little or no ambition and even less mental capacity to understand why you are on the rung of the economic ladder of life that you find yourself on.

    I missed a few hockey games but I sure do enjoy the season tickets I earned now and I ain't giving any of them to people with your entitlment attitude.
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Very well said twobits! There are consequences, positive and negative, for the choices that we make in life but rather than living with those consequences some people want to steal from others in the name of "fairness." Of course there's nothing "fair" about that at all. Many of us see the "entitlement attitude" for what it is and it's not a pretty picture.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 13th, 2012, 12:38 pm

Good job Twobits! But you didn't earn all of the money you have now while you were planning, sweating and taking all of those personal risks, you were just "lucky"...Image
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Re: NDP spending

Postby George+ » Nov 13th, 2012, 2:28 pm

And of course the 10%ers feel
No sense of taxation "entitlement"??
YEAH RIGHT! :dyinglaughing:
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 13th, 2012, 2:58 pm

Freak, the reality of your situation has come to your attention hasn't it? I mean the reality that you are an employee that works for someone else and always has. You have always only made an hourly wage or salary and that has been enough to cover your essential needs and maybe a few perks but not much more. Now you find yourself at a point in your life where you realize you really don't have a great deal of savings and the reality that you will probably have to work right up to the day of your 65th birthday before you can put down the pencil, wrench, or shovel and collect a gov't pension to do what......just continue existing further....with basic needs met.......and you don't like that do you? You failed to realize that you put yourself in this unenviable position with the life choices you made. Long ago, if you had any ambition at all, you could have educated yourself to a higher level or been entrepeneurial and risked your own capital and labour equity to build a business or enterprise that would have provided a brighter future. These avenues are open to all in this great country. Instead, you chose an easy path that was risk free in your view. You traded safety for the posibility of a better lifesyle. Now you want people that made better choices and were able to succeed to a higher level to pay even more than they already do proportional to you to compensate for your safe road path.
Let's assume we both graduated HS at the same time. You went to work, I went to university. You had a seven yr head start on me earning an income. I struggled working part time and summers and accuumulated 7 yrs of debt to put me in a hole. You continued in your "career" when I got out of university and started mine......my own business. So for a further ten years I worked 12 -14 hrs a day to make it a success and many months took no wage because there was nothing left after I paid the guys like you. You went home after 8hrs and turned on the hockey game while I continued to work on my future. Fast forward 20 yrs and the turtle has surpassed the hare. I am now a 10 percenter and earned every right to it despite whatever and however your socialistic addled brain works. If you think you deserve more of my paycheque because of your poor decisions, you are nothing but a petty jealous person with little or no ambition and even less mental capacity to understand why you are on the rung of the economic ladder of life that you find yourself on.

I missed a few hockey games but I sure do enjoy the season tickets I earned now and I ain't giving any of them to people with your entitlment attitude.


first of all i am not unhappy with my place in the class structure. and i am doing just fine. hey 2bits were you one of the ones that defaulted on your student loans because you could? you know declare bankruptcy and get a fresh start? because many of your ilk did that and helped create the crisis we are in right now. one of the problems we have in our society is many of the self starters got into politics and started to do things like bad business does. and now we have miss management and people that dont want to own their mistakes. they just wanna declare political bankruptcy and expect a fresh start and have a do over. regardless of how hard you worked and how much sacrifice you feel you made in the past the present climate means that your loopholes that you have relied upon to stash in investments will shrink. and i feel that it is appropriate. especially when everything that you hold dear is connected to the banking crisis. if US banks were not bailed out or euro zone banks were not bailed out the whole house of cards would have collapsed including your business. because we are all interconnected. so all the bailouts were used to help businesses and now they will have to show their gratitude and pay more in tax. and so will the owners and shareholders. the easy thing to do is shrug off reality. the party is over.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 13th, 2012, 4:13 pm

sooperphreek wrote: hey 2bits were you one of the ones that defaulted on your student loans because you could? you know declare bankruptcy and get a fresh start? because many of your ilk did that and helped create the crisis we are in right now.


What I find hilarious about this statement is that when I was in school, it was the social workers, general studies and teaching students who were all telling the rest of us to vote NDP because the NDP was going to forgive everyone's student loans. I guess in the world of the lefty, if the NDP forgives your loans, it's all good - and its everyone else's fault for not voting in the NDP that drives them to declare bankruptcy to get out of their loans. You end up at the same place - no loans being repaid, but the lefties never understand that. And by the way, the only people I know who have gone the bankruptcy route to get out of loans were general studies grads and teachers - the common scam was to go and teach English abroad for a while, leave all your cash in a foreign bank, then come back to Canada, declare bankruptcy and then live off the cash sitting off-shore. If this were done by some right-wing guy, it would be a "loophole", but because they were lefties, it was all good - and only fair to offset all of the usual unfairness in society, or whatever blarney the lefty loser can dream up to rationalize their behaviour - after all - lefties can do no wrong. Thankfully, that loophole, abused mostly by lazy leftists, has now been closed, and you can't get out of your loans by declaring bankruptcy.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby twobits » Nov 13th, 2012, 4:23 pm

sooperphreek wrote:first of all i am not unhappy with my place in the class structure. and i am doing just fine. hey 2bits were you one of the ones that defaulted on your student loans because you could? you know declare bankruptcy and get a fresh start? because many of your ilk did that and helped create the crisis we are in right now. one of the problems we have in our society is many of the self starters got into politics and started to do things like bad business does. and now we have miss management and people that dont want to own their mistakes. they just wanna declare political bankruptcy and expect a fresh start and have a do over. regardless of how hard you worked and how much sacrifice you feel you made in the past the present climate means that your loopholes that you have relied upon to stash in investments will shrink. and i feel that it is appropriate. especially when everything that you hold dear is connected to the banking crisis. if US banks were not bailed out or euro zone banks were not bailed out the whole house of cards would have collapsed including your business. because we are all interconnected. so all the bailouts were used to help businesses and now they will have to show their gratitude and pay more in tax. and so will the owners and shareholders. the easy thing to do is shrug off reality. the party is over.


After reading your paragraph of absolute gibberish, devoid of any rational or coherent thought process, I can only refer you back to my previous post.....and more specifically.......
" you are nothing but a petty jealous person with little or no ambition and even less mental capacity to understand why you are on the rung of the economic ladder of life that you find yourself on".
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Re: NDP spending

Postby goatboy » Nov 13th, 2012, 4:53 pm

sooperphreek wrote:

first of all i am not unhappy with my place in the class structure.......... because many of your ilk ........



No you're not, otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about people who have more than you. I'll ask you again, do you pay taxes and if so, do you take any deductions?

I also laugh when just because someone earns more than you, you call them "your ilk". That sums up your jealousy of their financial position.

How about bettering your own financial position so you can help the less fortunate with cash instead of worthless rhetoric? Oh wait, that would require you to do more than protest or type away on your computer!
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