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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby George+ » Nov 19th, 2012, 2:16 pm

No.

I have ASSumed you cannot explain the analogy.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 19th, 2012, 3:04 pm

George+ wrote:No.

I have ASSumed you cannot explain the analogy.


right - because you are too dense to ever understand the explanation.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby George+ » Nov 19th, 2012, 6:36 pm

There is NO explanation.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 19th, 2012, 7:15 pm

George+ wrote:There is NO explanation.


That you would understand, because you are too dense.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby George+ » Nov 20th, 2012, 8:58 am

Because you cannot provide one.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 20th, 2012, 11:11 am

George+ wrote:Because you cannot provide one.


that a simpleton like you could understand. You can't even get the concept of progressive rates of taxation. That's how dim you are. But I have to say, you do represent the average NDP voter - completely ignorant of basic economic concepts, so perfect fodder for their socialist brain-washing nonsense.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby George+ » Nov 20th, 2012, 2:41 pm

Still can't provide one? Aye?
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby NAB » Nov 20th, 2012, 7:07 pm

Hmmmm... interesting news...

"CALGARY — Liberal leadership contender Justin Trudeau says he’s in favour of exporting Canadian oil to Asia — as long as it’s not through the controversial Northern Gateway pipeline."

"Trudeau has also come out in favour of a Chinese state-owned company’s multi-billion takeover of Nexen Inc."
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby steven lloyd » Nov 20th, 2012, 7:12 pm

NAB wrote: "CALGARY — Liberal leadership contender Justin Trudeau says he’s in favour of exporting Canadian oil to Asia — as long as it’s not through the controversial Northern Gateway pipeline."

:137: How does he think we're going to get it there ?
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby NAB » Nov 20th, 2012, 7:38 pm

The Kid's not dumb. He knows there are equal or better ways to get Canadian Oil (not involving pipelining bitumen in any event) to Asia. My own choice would be via eastern Canada and/or the USA, but I guess we will have to await his ideas. The point is he obviously recognizes that BC is not as important to the endeavour as we seem to think we are.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby hobbyguy » Nov 21st, 2012, 9:40 am

I think you're right about heading east with the tar sands products.

Enbridge's efforts seem to be focusing that way since they realized the odds of going through BC with dilbit are very low. Especially as they have Mulcair's support for piping east.

Makes more sense in a lot of ways when one considers the level of imports into eastern Canada and the amount of low-security middle eastern oil that goes into Europe. Opens up multiple established markets.

I still don't like shipping dilbit, but if the risk/benefit works out for Ontario et al - so be it.

In a backhanded fashion BC opposition to dilbit may just result in a better energy policy for Canada, and more jobs than would have resulted from routing through BC. Could be a win-win if it's done right.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby Rwede » Nov 21st, 2012, 9:55 am

NAB wrote:The Kid's not dumb. He knows there are equal or better ways to get Canadian Oil (not involving pipelining bitumen in any event) to Asia. My own choice would be via eastern Canada and/or the USA, but I guess we will have to await his ideas. The point is he obviously recognizes that BC is not as important to the endeavour as we seem to think we are.



The kid is dumb. 62% of people are dead set against the Nexen deal, which he is endorsing. That doesn't play too well when a fluffy-haired boy is looking for public support.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby erinmore3775 » Nov 21st, 2012, 10:13 am

It would appear that the BC opposition to piping dibit across the province has fostered a new interest in a revised National Energy Plan. Aspiring political leaders, provincial governments, bureaucrats,and the general public are beginning to see that fossil fuel will be the key to Canada's wealth over the next 50 years. However, that success is dependent not on the export of dilbit, but on the export of refined and semi-refined dilbit products.
The time has come for the development of a public/private consortium to foster a major refinery near the tar sand and new and/or improved pipelines to the west, south, and east to transport the refined products to market. The excuse that we cannot afford to do this can no longer be accepted. As the oil supply in the Arabian countries continues to dwindle, Canadian resources will continue to be more important. Reduced supplies mean increased prices. Average oil prices are projected to be well over $100/barrel in the foreseeable future.
This is not the time for Canada to sell off its energy futures to foreign entities. It is time to look to the future, plan to develop our own resources, and develop internal refinery and delivery capacity for the future. This long term planning would provide for future Canadian jobs in the exploration, extraction, refining, and manufacturing supply sectors.
Now the real question is how to move from the visionary stage to the can do stage and put the CAN back in CANADA.
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby maple leaf » Nov 21st, 2012, 11:59 am

erinmore3775 wrote:The time has come for the development of a public/private consortium to foster a major refinery near the tar sand and new and/or improved pipelines to the west, south, and east to transport the refined products to market. The excuse that we cannot afford to do this can no longer be accepted. As the oil supply in the Arabian countries continues to dwindle, Canadian resources will continue to be more important. Reduced supplies mean increased prices. Average oil prices are projected to be well over $100/barrel in the foreseeable future.
This is not the time for Canada to sell off its energy futures to foreign entities. It is time to look to the future, plan to develop our own resources, and develop internal refinery and delivery capacity for the future. This long term planning would provide for future Canadian jobs in the exploration, extraction, refining, and manufacturing supply sectors.
Now the real question is how to move from the visionary stage to the can do stage and put the CAN back in CANADA.

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Halifax MP wants Alberta's oil
by The Canadian Press - Story: 83372
Nov 17, 2012 / 6:45 am


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A Liberal MP from Nova Scotia has paid a visit to the oilsands, saying that Alberta may be having struggles in accessing foreign markets but the province's crude is always welcome in the East.

Halifax West MP Geoff Regan says environmental concerns appear to be stalling approval of the Keystone XL pipeline to Texas and the Northern Gateway pipeline which would ship through BC for export to Asian countries.

But Regan says the struggling economies of the Atlantic provinces would be encouraged by the notion of bringing Canadian oil eastward, where residents rely on Middle Eastern imports.

Calgary's TransCanada Corp. (TSX:TRP) is studying the possibility of shipping as many as one million barrels a day of western crude to eastern refineries.

To do so, it would convert part of its natural gas mainline partly to oil service. CEO Russ Girling has called the project both technically and economically feasible.

Company officials have also said they don't expect to see a big environmental pushback because eastern Canadians are keenly aware of how such a plan would positively affect fuel prices where they live.

Regan also says competitive wages in the oilsands could put pressure on companies back east, such as Irving, to offer a bigger paycheque for skilled workers.

"The tradespeople will be saying, `do I want to go home and work for $10 an hour less plus take a haircut on my benefits?' " said Regan.

"I think they're going to have to be competitive. Some people will want to stay home but still, when the opportunities still exist out here I think they're real and that's something that will have to factor in."
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Re: Pipelines across BC

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 22nd, 2012, 11:27 am

I agree with the idea of shipping more oil east, if that's our only alternative, given Barry O. the D-list celebrity lover won't let us ship any more to the US, and our US funded "environmental" groups won't let us ship it to China. We have to find ways to maximize our per barrel profit, and right now, shipping oil to the US via the Hardesty pipeline is causing us to lose $10 a barrel. We have to find a better way, that pays us Canadians more. If that means shipping it to Halifax, so be it. I'd love to get them off of Saudi oil, we shouldn't be rewarding Islamic dictatorships by buying their oil anyway.
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