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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby flamingfingers » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:22 pm

The Fraser Institute is such a partisan gropefest that tailors its findings to the right wing and tries to put forth an 'intellectual' POV. By now nobody pays any attention to them. Except for the Liberals who fund them.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:27 pm

All political parties have those - what's the NDP one called?
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:05 pm

flamingfingers wrote:The Fraser Institute is such a partisan gropefest that tailors its findings to the right wing and tries to put forth an 'intellectual' POV. By now nobody pays any attention to them. Except for the Liberals who fund them.


OMG AMEN to that. it is like FOX channel canada.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby Urbane » Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:36 pm

    grammafreddy wrote:All political parties have those - what's the NDP one called?
Of course. We need to do our own research and gather information from a variety of sources.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby Gone_Fishin » Dec 4th, 2012, 7:00 am

grammafreddy wrote:All political parties have those - what's the NDP one called?



Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives - a group of union-funded, scum-sucking, NDP arses that think you need to give all your money to people who refuse to work for a living. Vile leeches!
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby madmudder » Dec 4th, 2012, 7:08 am

Liberal arses that think you need to give all your money to people who refuse to work for a living. Vile leeches!
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby Urbane » Dec 8th, 2012, 10:59 pm

Interesting column. Lately I've been thinking that the May election may end up being competitive after all.

Les Leyne: Liberals attracting strong candidates


BY LES LEYNE, TIMES COLONIST DECEMBER 8, 2012

There's one factor that makes you wonder about widespread expectations that the B.C. New Democrats will run away with the next election.

It's the strength of the field of candidates the B.C. Liberals are putting together.

Premier Christy Clark is lagging badly in most of the measurements used by pollsters. Repeated surveys show widespread disenchantment with her leadership and sustained support for Opposition leader Adrian Dix.

It adds up to the strong impression she could get trounced next May.

Given all that, you'd expect the candidate selection process for the party would be a matter of just signing up whichever no-hoper is deluded enough to take part in the lost cause.

But that's not what's going on. The Liberals are putting together a respectable team. It's a surprisingly strong roster for a party that is running well behind the Opposition and has a number of strikes against it.

Here's a sampling:

? He may not have the comedic, loose-cannon approach of the man he's trying to succeed (Kevin Krueger), but Todd Stone has an impressive background in Kamloops.

He did a few years as an aide to then-Opposition leader Gordon Campbell, learning politics up close. Then he went back home to Kamloops and built a very successful software company. He was a strong enough candidate to win the Kamloops-South Thompson nomination by acclamation last summer.

? Coralee Oakes has run the Quesnel Chamber of Commerce for years and served two terms on council there. The party featured her as a speaker at its recent Whistler convention. The Cariboo North riding is a wild card. It's held by MLA Bob Simpson, who was elected a New Democrat but broke with the party and became an independent.

? Earlier this week, Abbotsford Mission Liberals picked Simon Gibson to replace retiring MLA Randy Hawes as the Liberal candidate. He has been on Abbotsford council for three decades and teaches at University of the Fraser Valley, which incubated two other Liberal candidates as well (below).

? The party also scooped former Conservative byelection candidate John Martin. He got along so well with his Liberal rival at the time, Laurie Throness, that he later joined the Liberals and will be running in Chilliwack.

? North Island Liberal candidate Nick Facey showed up at the Whistler convention with more than two dozen supporters, an impressive show of strength for a constituency association that hasn't won an election in years.

He's a 25-year-old postgraduate student from a logging family who will be taking on NDP MLA Claire Trevena.

There's also been an impressive amount of interest in some of the nominations. No fewer than five people are running for the Liberal nomination in Shuswap, to replace retiring MLA George Abbott. Two local mayors, a councillor and two businessmen are seeking the nomination, to be decided Jan. 5.

In Penticton, four people ran for the nomination, which was decided in October when Penticton Mayor Dan Ashton won the nod.

There will also be high-profile face-offs in Metro Vancouver. Former mayor Sam Sullivan will contest the Vancouver-False Creek nomination next year with former MLA Lorne Mayencourt, who now works in the premier's office. And Vancouver-Quilchena's contest next month will feature former deputy minister Andrew Wilkinson and former mayoral candidate Suzanne Anton as prospective nominees.

The contest between the leaders is always the main event. But in the riding-by-riding contests, candidates can make a difference. And Liberals could be stronger contenders by that measurement than current polls suggest. As the saying goes: It's not one big election, it's 85 smaller ones.

New Democrats have about three-quarters of their candidates picked. Only a handful of current MLAs are retiring, so the party's quota system that dictates female candidates in some ridings wasn't a big factor in putting the team together.

B.C. Conservatives have only a half-dozen candidates named at this point. With just 18 weeks before the campaign starts, it's clear the internal fighting that's occupied them for months is having an impact. Most tellingly, leader John Cummins still hasn't committed publicly to a riding.

Cummins said Friday the party plans to have 20 candidates named by January, including himself. The fight with dissidents "slowed us down, let's not kid ourselves," he said.

B.C. Greens have almost 20 nominees and Liberals couldn't be happier to see them in the field.

lleyne@timescolonist.com

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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby maple leaf » Dec 10th, 2012, 11:36 am

Looks like BC stalls here.Christy Clarks jobs plan first claims 56,000 jobs created,then changed that to,41,800.In real terms the net # is 13,900.Putting BC in fourth place compared to the rest of Canada.BC is not leading the country in job creation as the 15 million dollar ads claim.Taking into account population growth in BC ,when her Jobs Plan was introduced it was 6.8 % and 14 months later it still works out to 6.8 %.


No other way to say it: The BC Government is fudging its job creation record
David Akin - December 8th, 2012
While Clark campaigns to be number one on job creation, BC is actually the worst in the West and 4th worst in Canada
BC government is making false claims about the performance of the BC Jobs Plan
The headline news from Statistics Canada Friday morning was not good for the government of Premier Christy Clark. In it’s monthly jobs report, Statscan reported an unexpected and surprising jobs boom in Ontario and Quebec but the worst performing province in November compared to October was B.C. Statscan reported 4,700 jobs were lost in B.C. in the month and the unemployment rate rose to 6.8% from 6.7%.

Clark’s government, having staked a good chunk of her political fortunes on the BC Jobs Plan she announced on Sept. 22, 2011, now gets cheered or jeered once a month when Statscan publishes the scorecard on how Clark’s Jobs Plan is doing.

Perhaps in anticipation of a few jeers, the BC government was out early with a press release trying to spin some silver linings into what was otherwise a rather dark cloud. The press release announced that “B.C.’s investment in job creation provides stability” and seemed to rather hope that you wouldn’t look under the hood or examine any of the facts too closely.

The press release notes, for example, that if you look at the year-over-year job numbers for B.C., things don’t look that bad. B.C. job creation record is fourth overall! Just one problem with settling for fourth: The premier quite loudly promised to be number one. That’s what I heard when Clark spoke to the B.C. Liberal convention at the end of October and it’s what The Vancouver Sun’s Jonathan Fowlie (and many other B.C. reporters there) zeroed in on as the key takeaway from the speech:

“We have set out these bold goals and we are reaching our targets,” she continued, adding that while she will to announce additions to the plan in the weeks to come, it will form the bedrock of her party’s campaign.

“I’m going to run in the next election on the strong economy. I’m going to run on (being) number one in job creation,” she said.

And yet, the press release issued by Clark’s government concedes:

With 29,400 job gains since November 2011, B.C. ranks fourth compared to other province.

If you’re going to run-on being number one, probably best not to point out to voters that “We’re Number Four!” And it’s true, year-over-year, B.C. trails Quebec (+109,200 net new jobs), Ontario (+85,300) and Alberta (+38,900) .

But —

If you measure the year-over-year performance on a relative basis — the percentage change in the number of employed people — B.C. is doing much worse than fourth. It’s actually sixth or, to put it another way, fourth worst. B.C. has year-over-year employment improvement of 1.29 per cent, just ahead of Ontario’s 1.27 per cent improvement but behind Newfoundland (+3.79%), Saskatchewan (3.07%), Quebec (+2.78%), Alberta (1.82%) and Manitoba (1.36%). In fact, as the astute reader will have already noticed, B.C.’s employment growth over the last year is the worst among the Western provinces.

Now fourth best in absolute terms versus sixth best in relative terms is the kind of spin you’d expect in a press released.

What you don’t expect, down there at the bottom of the press release, is a line which can only be described as a falsehood:

Since the release of ‘Canada Starts Here: the BC Jobs Plan’, B.C. has added 41,800 net new jobs …

So just when was “the release of ‘Canada Starts Here: the BC Jobs Plan’? Well, here’s a press released dated September 22, 2011 titled “Premier releases Canada Starts Here” And here’s the transcript of a speech Premier Clark gave to the Vancouver Board of Trade on September 22, 2011 titled “Premier Christy Clark introduces Canada Starts Here: The BC Jobs Plan”. So based on those two items, I am going to assume that when Friday’s press release says “Since the release of ‘Canada Starts Here: The BC Jobs Plan’,” we all take that to mean since its release on September 22, 2011.

Well, let’s look at how many people in B.C. had a job on September 22, 2011.

You can look up that information using Statistics Canada Table 282-0087.

Statistics Canada found that in September, 2011, there were 2.2988 million in B.C. who had a job.

So we can now rephrase that that line from the press release to mean:

“Since the release on September 22, 2011 of ‘Canada Starts Here: the BC Jobs Plan’ when a total of 2.2988 British Columbians had jobs …”

Now what about the back end of that line, that bit about B.C. adding 41,800 net new jobs since then?

Not true.

In November, 2012, Statistics Canada reports there are 2.3127 million British Columbians who had a job. Subtract the number of jobs in September 2011 from the number recorded in November 2012 and you have 13,900 more net new jobs no 41,800 net new jobs.

We’re clear here right? Both the government, in its press release, and me in my calculations are using the number of jobs “since the release of ‘Canada Starts Here’” which the record shows was released on September 22, 2011. Now, it’s true that if you measure instead using August, 2011 as your baseline employment numbers and subtract the total number working then from the total number working in November 2012, you will get 41,800 net new jobs. But the press release did not say “Since August, 2011, BC has added 41,800 net new jobs.” It said “Since the release of Canada Starts Here: the BC Jobs Plan” and that plan, I think we’ve established, was released on September 22, 2011.

Which means the government is falsely claiming its job creation plan is three times better than it actually is?

In fact, since the Premier announced her “BC Jobs Plan” 14 months ago and announced she was going run on being number one in job creation just over a month ago, the record on job creation is rather pedestrian. Comparing September 2011 to November 2012:

While B.C.’s population has grown by 1.1 per cent over the last 14 months, net new job growth is about half that or 0.6 per cent.
Though B.C. workforce is now bigger in absolute terms (+14,500) , it is smaller in the arguably more important relative way, namely the ratio of those British Columbians in the work force (you add up the number of employed, partly employed and those who say they’re unemployed) to those not in the work force (Students, retirees, the independently wealthy and so on). This is the labour force participation rate and it sits now at 64.8 per cent. It was 65.1 per cent when the Jobs Plan was announced.
The unemployment rate when the Jobs Plan was announced was 6.8 per cent. The unemployment rate 14 months later is 6.8 per cent.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby madmudder » Dec 12th, 2012, 7:26 am

"The BC Government is fudging its job creation record"

This government has been fudging just about everything they touch including the budget.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby NAB » Dec 12th, 2012, 8:02 am

Governments don't create jobs IMO (other than often useless and underproductive government jobs that grow the size of government and its tax bill). True and lasting job creation in the sense of impact on the economy and economic growth is the sole domain of the private sector and it is they, not government, who should receive any associated brickbats or bouquets for jobs creation performance numbers. In BC so far it comes up mainly brickbats compared to the other 3 main provinces so Clark has no bragging rights at all.

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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby theyeti » Dec 12th, 2012, 8:10 am

i like how she said no to the pipeline i think that shows leadership . id never vote but i respect miss clark
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 9:55 am

NAB wrote:Governments don't create jobs IMO (other than often useless and underproductive government jobs that grow the size of government and its tax bill). True and lasting job creation in the sense of impact on the economy and economic growth is the sole domain of the private sector and it is they, not government, who should receive any associated brickbats or bouquets for jobs creation performance numbers. In BC so far it comes up mainly brickbats compared to the other 3 main provinces so Clark has no bragging rights at all.

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I see. So, since job creation and income growth has been astronomical under the Liberals, while the NDP wallowed in last place in Canada during the 1990s, it is no longer government policy influencing the investment climate that helps job growth in any region. The NDP's raising taxes and scaring away investment with regulation, red tape, and bloated government had no bearing on employment. The BC Liberals' opening of the door through low taxes and reduced red tape just coincided with good luck for employees in BC the past 10 years.

Right. Sure.

Does Nab hang out a sign, "The Spin Doctor is in" a la Lucy Van Pelt? :dyinglaughing:


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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 12th, 2012, 12:44 pm

is it useful saying that the ndp will be just like they were in the 90's? alot can change in 20 years. like the liberals making bc a laughing stock with the way they handled the whole HST scenario. you can try to blame the people all you want but in the end the blame rests firmly on the decision making of the leaders and liberal party.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 2:03 pm

sooperphreek wrote:is it useful saying that the ndp will be just like they were in the 90's? alot can change in 20 years. like the liberals making bc a laughing stock with the way they handled the whole HST scenario. you can try to blame the people all you want but in the end the blame rests firmly on the decision making of the leaders and liberal party.



The HST was a strong signal to businesses that created employment for British Columbians. Unfortuantely, the socialists killed it and people will lose jobs because of its demise.

The NDP consists of the same people making their decisions as in the 1990s. Already, Dix is in bed with Sinclair to form his policies. Well, to be fair, he never got out of bed with Sinclair. Dix was the 2nd most powerful man in Glen Clark's disasterous government in the 1990s, now he's top dog for the NDP. Nothing has changed. Dix, Moe, and Sinclair are all still there, cooking up another disaster for BC, and ignoring BC's laws in the process.
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Re: Premier Christy Clark, how do you like her so far?

Postby George+ » Dec 12th, 2012, 3:12 pm

Nothing has changed with your postings either, Weedy.
Same old , same old.
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