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Re: NDP spending

Postby George+ » Dec 5th, 2012, 12:33 pm

Maybe a Fantasy Garden?

Like some people seem to be growing?.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Urbane » Dec 6th, 2012, 10:06 pm

Adrian Dix BUSTED AGAIN:

NDP preparing its labour platform hand-in-glove with B.C. Federation of Labour

Michael Smyth, The Province : Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:10 PM

Unions across B.C. are in “extensive” pre-election talks with the NDP, and the party’s labour platform is being developed with the B.C. Federation of Labour, according to a document obtained Thursday by The Province.

The labour organization also poured money and staff time into two recent by-elections, the document says, though the NDP candidates in both by-elections did not list the B.C. Federation of Labour as a donor in campaign-finance reports.

It all has the rival Liberals slamming “heavy handed” union influence in the NDP backrooms, and questioning whether the New Democrats properly disclosed campaign donations from the province’s largest labour organization.

“Adrian Dix tried to fool people that he was a moderate with a modest agenda,” Liberal campaign director Mike McDonald said of the NDP leader.

“He just got busted.”

The 11-page document was prepared for the executive of the B.C. Federation of Labour and distributed at its recent convention. It details the organization’s top priorities and its work with the NDP to achieve them.

“Labour platform is being developed with the B.C. NDP,” the document says.

“This includes extensive affiliate discussions on key issues including the B.C. Labour Code, Workers Compensation Board, trades training and employment standards.”

The document had the Liberals seeing red and on the attack.

“It spells out how big labour is working hand-in-hand with the NDP to develop their policies for them,” said Liberal cabinet minister Mary Polak.

She said business should worry about an NDP government bringing in pro-union labour laws and workplace regulations that will raise their costs and deflate investor confidence.

“It’s clear from the document that this is the same old NDP of the 1970s and 1990s and it could hurt our economy,” she said.

But NDP MLA Carole James said the party is simply listening to labour’s concerns, and the NDP will write its own policy platform, not the labour movement.

“They’re presenting their ideas to us and we’re listening,” she said, adding none of the labour movement’s “suggestions” have been officially adopted by the party yet.

“Only the Liberals would attack us for consulting with people. They’re fearmongering.”

B.C. Federation of Labour president Jim Sinclair said copies of the document were widely circulated at the organization’s recent convention.

“It’s hardly a secret agenda,” he said. “We’ve been very open about the fact that we’re lobbying the party.”

But Polak disagreed.

“Adrian Dix has been saying he’s friendly to business, but business is not writing the NDP election platform — big labour is,” she said.

The document says the B.C. Federation of Labour wants an overhaul of the Labour Code. The organization has already said it wants an NDP government to scrap the secret-ballot rule for certifying a union, requiring a majority of workers to simply sign a union card instead.

The group also wants a “total review” of the Workers Compensation Board, and “fair” apprenticeship rules and employment standards affecting union and non-union workers alike.

Under the heading “Ensuring the NDP Wins in 2013”, the document calls for “creating opportunities for Adrian/NDP to directly engage members. We have to publicly support Adrian/NDP with our members, instil confidence in his leadership.”

On the two recent by-elections — both won by the NDP — the document details work and donations: “The Federation co-ordinated a fundraising drive that raised $120,000 for the by-elections. In addition, staff worked full-time organizing volunteers.”

Yet the campaign-finance reports disclosed by winning NDP candidate Joe Trasolini and Gwen O’Mahony did not list the B.C. Federation of Labour as donors of money or staff.

“It doesn’t seem right,” said Polak, adding the donations should be reviewed.

But NDP provincial secretary Jan O’Brien said the money raised by the Federation was donated to the NDP head office, properly disclosed, and then transferred to the byelection campaigns.

And she said Federation staff did not work on the byelection campaigns directly, so no public disclosure was required — an explanation Polak found “disingenuous.”

The NDP, meanwhile, pointed out that McDonald (the Liberal campaign director) has scheduled a “stakeholder meeting” in the boardroom of the B.C. Business Council next week.

“That shouldn’t surprise anyone,” said Sinclair. “At least we’re being open about our work with the NDP.”


The smoking gun:
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 6th, 2012, 11:46 pm

so.....the logic is that big business can shape the liberal platform and not pay taxes without hysteria and fear mongering but if labor has any input with the ndp the sky is falling? are these people for real??
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Veovis » Dec 7th, 2012, 10:03 am

sooperphreek wrote:so.....the logic is that big business can shape the liberal platform and not pay taxes without hysteria and fear mongering but if labor has any input with the ndp the sky is falling? are these people for real??


I would disagree on one basis, if the left can have mass hysteria over "big-business" owning the government why would the write not have the same rights of opinion over "big-labor" owning the government?

Why are opinions a one way street?
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 7th, 2012, 11:52 am

it isnt a one way street. the left knows big business owns the right and the vice versa knows that labor owns the left. there is no surprise here. but the left hasnt brought this province to their knees over the last 10 years which the right says the ndp will do. so the fear mongering is premature considering that the ndp hasnt spent a cent of taxpayer money yet or implemented their platform. and the radio silence is wise until they get sworn in.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Veovis » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:11 pm

The silence is wise?

See that's where the NDP lose hope of getting my vote. They promise to make everything better, but when asked how they plan to do so, we get crickets chirping. Silence might help you win, but it shows you can't lead either.

I simply can't trust someone who says "trust me" when they have a past of not being trustworthy. Then when I ask "why should I trust you?" they smile and say "Just trust me"

If a salesman came to your door with that same shtick, I'm pretty sure no one ever buys from them, but as long as you can point at someone else and say "THERE'S THE BOOGEYMAN!" people seem to think it's a good purchase. I don't get it.


Note: this does not mean I think the Liberals are doing a good job either, this is just my issue with the current NDP plan.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:23 pm

you mean as opposed to a shopping list of what the liberals were telling the people they would do and then either reneging on the promises or lying? they pass a law for balanced budgets and then they dont do it. they said no HST and they brought it in. it is the same and like i said wiser to hole the cards close to the chest. the only reason why right wingers want a platform is to create hysteria over what they say will happen with the NDP. the NDP has every right to have a vision for BC as the liberals did. if we vote for change then we will see what happens. it certainly wont be any worse than we have now.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Rwede » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:26 pm

As little tidbits of Dix's plan leak out, we see very quickly that it's the same old pile of crap we got in the 1990s. Like today's revelation that the BC Fed is busy working with the NDP to formulate their election campaign, despite Dix saying that he's "listening" to business and pretending to distance himself fom big labour.

And apparently the BC Federation of Labour is illegally funding the recent NDP byelections with money and in-kind donations that the NDP candidates weren't disclosing on their financial reports. That's exactly the same crap they pulled during the 1990s recall campaigns, where an inquiry found that Dix and the NDP had illegally funded campaign work by having the unions buy airline tickets, etc.

The more things change with the NDP, the more they stay the same: scandal after scandal, illegal act after illegal act. Dix was the mastermind then, and he's the mastermind now.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby goatboy » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:37 pm

sooperphreek wrote: but the left hasnt brought this province to their knees over the last 10 years which the right says the ndp will do. so the fear mongering is premature .............


Whose fear mongering? I would argue this province is far from on our knee's
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Rwede » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:40 pm

Adrian Dix is on his knees. Right in front of Jim Sinclair. :dyinglaughing:
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:44 pm

really? wages in this province are a joke compared to alberta. insurance in alberta is cheaper. the economy in alberta is better. taxes are better in alberta. and the list goes on. perhaps just because you feel you are not on your knees it isnt a license to have a blind eye for what is happening around you. we are at a point that we are playing catch up in terms of unlocking our resources in this province and with all the fiascoes the liberals have had in that sector with uranium mines and payouts i think id rather go with the NDP and see what they can bring to the table. if they bring labor into the province and create actual (not part time jimmy pattison) jobs for competitive wages then our tax base will be that much stronger and we will make all of western canada a titan of industry. but hey.....the sky is falling because that is the direction we will likely go right?
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Re: NDP spending

Postby Urbane » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:49 pm

This is funny. Every time Dix is caught with his hand in the cookie jar those on the far left yell "Look over there." Too funny.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby maple leaf » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:52 pm

Urbane wrote:Adrian Dix BUSTED AGAIN:


Michael Smyth, The Province : Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:10 PM



But NDP provincial secretary Jan O’Brien said the money raised by the Federation was donated to the NDP head office, properly disclosed, and then transferred to the byelection campaigns.

And she said Federation staff did not work on the byelection campaigns directly, so no public disclosure was required — an explanation Polak found “disingenuous.”

The NDP, meanwhile, pointed out that McDonald (the Liberal campaign director) has scheduled a “stakeholder meeting” in the boardroom of the B.C. Business Council next week.

“That shouldn’t surprise anyone,” said Sinclair. “At least we’re being open about our work with the NDP.”



Nothing new here,the NDP listening to the Federation of Unions Like they should,and also listening to BC's business leaders ,like they should.The difference is the NDP are also meeting with the business leaders getting their input ,while the Liberals have over the last 12 years tried their damnedest to shut out the voice of the working class.To me it is a welcome change for the NDP to be talking to everyone.Only got caught doing what he should be doing,listening to everyone instead of just the Liberal friends and inside backers ,good on him.
Just more fear mongering from the right ( the socialist hoards are at the gates) :skyisfalling:
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Re: NDP spending

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 7th, 2012, 12:57 pm

good points maple leaf.
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Re: NDP spending

Postby goatboy » Dec 7th, 2012, 1:33 pm

sooperphreek wrote:really? wages in this province are a joke compared to alberta. insurance in alberta is cheaper. the economy in alberta is better. taxes are better in alberta. and the list goes on. perhaps just because you feel you are not on your knees it isnt a license to have a blind eye for what is happening around you. we are at a point that we are playing catch up in terms of unlocking our resources in this province and with all the fiascoes the liberals have had in that sector with uranium mines and payouts i think id rather go with the NDP and see what they can bring to the table. if they bring labor into the province and create actual (not part time jimmy pattison) jobs for competitive wages then our tax base will be that much stronger and we will make all of western canada a titan of industry. but hey.....the sky is falling because that is the direction we will likely go right?


Hmmm, and what does all of your comaprisons have in common? Alberta. What about the rest of the country. How about you compare us to the rest of Canada?

However, if you want to use Alberta as your bell weather, then how come the NDP there only received 10% of the vote in the last election. Because Albertans thought they would be the best stewards of their booming economy. Apparently not!
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