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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby ukcanuck » Dec 11th, 2012, 4:55 pm

George+ wrote:Nah.

That's a step forward, too! :dyinglaughing:

You are correct its a step forward because the right are losing their believers. Keep taxes low, free markets work best, if the socialist get in big business will leave and take their jobs with them...it's all BS
Big business doesn't pay taxes, they've shipped the jobs to china and are now bringing the Chinese here to work.
And instead of trickle down economics we got bankers acting like drug dealers giving credit like its crack and causing a international depression and then getting bailed out.


It's all crap, whatever socialists are they aren't any worse liars or stewards of the economy than the right wingers
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 12th, 2012, 3:18 pm

i cant wait till the ndp get in. there will be money in the hands of labor which makes the world go around. as opposed to big business which likes to give government and the people the run around.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:03 pm

sooperphreek wrote:i cant wait till the ndp get in. there will be money in the hands of labor which makes the world go around. as opposed to big business which likes to give government and the people the run around.



That's exactly the problem. Giving the keys to the provincial treasury to the public sector unions pretty much bankupted BC during the 1990s.

I'm glad you realize that this is the goal of Dix and Sinclair once again, too. Like we said in the other threads, nothing has changed from the 1990s where the NDP is concerned. The plan is to drain the provincial treasury and bloat the public service with our tax dollars once again.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:10 pm

no they will make up the shortfalls (horror of HORRORS!!!!!) by taxing big business. which is the way of the world at the moment. they got their way for 30 years and we are not any better off. so now they will start to pay again.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:20 pm

sooperphreek wrote:no they will make up the shortfalls (horror of HORRORS!!!!!) by taxing big business. which is the way of the world at the moment. they got their way for 30 years and we are not any better off. so now they will start to pay again.



Oh come now, how long do you think business will stay in BC and keep people employed with this tactic? The NDP tried exactly that in the 1990s, and business shut down, people lost their jobs, and the money moved to Alberta. It's a quick skip across the border for business, and very cost-effective when taxes skyrocket.

That's what I'm telling you. The NDP wants to do the exact same thing now as they tried in the 1990s, and it didn't work. You at least recognize what their plan is, kudos to you. What you don't understand is the result of said plan. I guess you're far too young to remember why it was an abject failure in the 1990s.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby George+ » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:34 pm

You'll be moving, Weedy?

Wonder where business will move with higher taxes in the US of A?
SWITZERLAND? You can run but you can't hide.

Not much loyalty to their customers on the Alberta runners part or
to the province that gave them a lot of tax breaks.

And we know that the GDP, on average, was just as good under the NDP for their
ten years as the Liberals. Quit flogging disproven stats.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:37 pm

Loyalty means nothing when it comes to the bottom line for shareholders. A company doesn't last long in competitive markets if it clings to inefficient, expensive ideals just to be "loyal." Of course, we in business recognize that, while George is clueless as he's never run a business in his life.

George isn't even loyal to the teaching profession, as he lies daily, denying that he was a teacher for 33 years. I thought he'd be proud to admit it, but I guess he has no loyalty. What's up with that?
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby Rwede » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:39 pm

George+ wrote:And we know that the GDP, on average, was just as good under the NDP for their
ten years as the Liberals. Quit flogging disproven stats.



'fraid not, George.


Real Per Capita GDP Growth 2002 - 2010

NL 33.7%
NB 17.8%
PEI 15.1%
SK 14.8%
NS 12.8%
MB 12.7%
BC 12.2%
PQ 8.4%
AB 2.8%
ON 2.4%

CAN 7.3%



Real Per Capita GDP Growth 1992 - 2000

Nfld: 33.6%
SK: 27.3%
AB: 27%
ON: 24.2%
PQ: 22.3%
NB: 21.6%
PEI: 18.6%
MB: 17.5%
NS: 16.2%
BC: 5.3%
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby flamingfingers » Dec 12th, 2012, 5:03 pm

WOW!!! A whole 6.9%!! What a joke. :dyinglaughing:
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby NAB » Dec 12th, 2012, 6:31 pm

And of course weedie we already learned back in economics 101 that population growth can have a distorting affect on comparative per capita GDP numbers. And, unlike today, in the 1990's BC became a popular destination to move to and find work. (Of course, per capita disposable income dropped severely for many as some employers took advantage of a competitive labour situation and paid poorly, while now we complain we don't have enough cheap and available labour to fill the jobs available).

" Employment and Unemployment

Employment Growth

Economic Figure 7 depicts average employment growth for the five five-year periods between 1975 and 1999. British Columbia was competitive with the other jurisdictions over the five periods. In fact, BC recorded the highest growth rates in employment for both the 1985-1989 and the 1990-1994 periods.

Total employment growth between 1975 and 2000 in British Columbia (96.3 percent) exceeded employment growth in either Ontario (64.2 percent) or Canada as a whole (61.0 percent). It trailed Alberta only slightly, which led all jurisdictions in employment growth with a 102.2 percent increase between 1975 and 2000.

Equally surprising, given British Columbia's poor income performance over the 1990s, is its strong employment growth over the same decade. As noted, British Columbia led all jurisdictions over the 1990-1994 period and fared reasonably well between 1995 and 1999. In fact, British Columbia led all four jurisdictions over the entire 1990 to 2000 period with employment growth of 25.6 percent, compared with 14.2 percent in Canada as a whole, 13.1 percent in Ontario, and 24.6 percent in Alberta.

Unemployment Rates

Given the employment figures above, it is not surprising that British Columbia's unemployment rate has been competitive with that of other jurisdictions. Economic Figure 8 depicts the average unemployment rates for the five five-year periods between 1975 and 1999. Between 1975 and 1989, BC had a higher unemployment rate than the national average. The province's unemployment rate then dropped below the national average for both the 1990-94 and 1995-1999 periods.

Given British Columbia's poor income and growth performance, its employment performance is quite surprising. How can the province's strong performance in generating employment be reconciled with its poor income and growth performance? Several mitigating factors at least partially explain this paradoxical outcome.

One explanation is British Columbia's strong population growth. The Business Council of BC concluded that "much of the job growth in BC in the 1990s has been directly tied to the province's expanding population" (Business Council of BC, 2000b, p. 3). An increasing population helps employment because it creates an increased demand for a wide range of goods and services. As the income section explains, over the 1990s British Columbia experienced increasing aggregate GDP and disposable income largely due to increases in population. Clearly, immigration and Canadian migration to British Columbia helped the province post positive employment gains during the 1990s."

(Fraser Institute).

...dare we hope an NDP win next May is the real solution to jobs growth in BC.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby steven lloyd » Dec 12th, 2012, 6:47 pm

NAB wrote: ...dare we hope an NDP win next May is the real solution to jobs growth in BC.

That would be a bonus. There is nothing more important in the next election than removing the Liberals from government.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby maple leaf » Dec 12th, 2012, 8:07 pm

^^ kind of blows a hole in the Liberal myth that everyone was fleeing the province because there were no jobs.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby sooperphreek » Dec 12th, 2012, 9:07 pm

Oh come now, how long do you think business will stay in BC and keep people employed with this tactic? The NDP tried exactly that in the 1990s, and business shut down, people lost their jobs, and the money moved to Alberta. It's a quick skip across the border for business, and very cost-effective when taxes skyrocket.

That's what I'm telling you. The NDP wants to do the exact same thing now as they tried in the 1990s, and it didn't work. You at least recognize what their plan is, kudos to you. What you don't understand is the result of said plan. I guess you're far too young to remember why it was an abject failure in the 1990s.



the classic sky is falling smokescreen. if companies leave and they are not paying taxes more power to them. they will be less of a financial drain on us leeching off the political system and not paying for the velvet pillows they seem to think they deserve to sit on.
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby ukcanuck » Dec 13th, 2012, 10:01 am

So headline from the Neocon Globe...

BC government facing record debt and facing credit score downgrade...

What do you wanna bet the downgrade is an attempt to scare, the voter away from the NDP

" OMG we can't have a left socialist big spending government Now!"


Never mind it's the Lieberals who driven the bus for the last decade...


Sorry but its time for a change ....
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Re: Dix and Big Labour Pledge Mutual Support

Postby Artofthedeal » Dec 13th, 2012, 10:18 am

maple leaf wrote:^^ kind of blows a hole in the Liberal myth that everyone was fleeing the province because there were no jobs.


No they were fleeing because the idiots running the province back in the 1990's had jacked our tax rates over 50%. They were still here in body, but were paying taxes in Alberta. It's always the same with the socialists, who just don't get it. You make tax rates inhospitable and non-competitive, and you get a high-rate of tax on zero of the electorate, as opposed to a lower rate tax of 100% on everyone. Just so dumb. Dumb dumb dumb. That's the only way to sum up the mentality of the NDP voter.
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