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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 13th, 2012, 7:44 pm

So...why don't ya tell us all
what you THINK the AOs were doing?
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 13th, 2012, 8:08 pm

    George+ wrote:So...why don't ya tell us all
    what you THINK the AOs were doing?
Probably chatting with students and happy to get away from teachers like you who put their union interests ahead of the students' welfare.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 13th, 2012, 8:36 pm

PAID just for"chatting with students."??
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 13th, 2012, 8:46 pm

    George+ wrote:PAID just for"chatting with students."??
Knowing who you were, and what position you once held, I imagine they quickly found some students to chat with so as to avoid you.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby KGT » Dec 13th, 2012, 10:05 pm

Urbane wrote:"Despite the circumstances" LOL. Those "circumstances" are actually quite positive and the results of this study bear that out. You have trouble handling good news George. Time to lighten up and celebrate the good things that are happening. The system is not at the breaking point, we don't need billions of dollars more, and things are looking up.
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I suspect the consequences of increased class sizes and cutbacks to specialist teachers will take a few years to affect student achievement.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 13th, 2012, 10:29 pm

    KGT wrote:I suspect the consequences of increased class sizes and cutbacks to specialist teachers will take a few years to affect student achievement.
One of the concerns I do have is the (apparent) increased number of students with severe behavioural problems who are being placed in regular classrooms. I wholeheartedly support the integration of special needs students but perhaps we need to look at moving resources for these severe behavioural students to the storefront school and away from the regular classrooms. I've talked to several secondary teachers who have made that suggestion and it makes sense to me. That's more of an organizational issue than a money issue but I hope that the problem is addressed. At any rate, kudos to BC teachers for doing a fine job and kudos to administrators who have had to deal with some difficult "circumstances" over the last year.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 14th, 2012, 10:13 am

Knowing who you were, and what position you once held, I imagine they quickly found some students to chat with so as to avoid you.


Makes no sense to me.

Guess you don't want to address the issue
that they were "paid for chatting"???
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 14th, 2012, 10:42 am

    George+ wrote:
    Makes no sense to me.

    Guess you don't want to address the issue
    that they were "paid for chatting"???
Are you pretending to be really dense or . . . oh, never mind. I'll explain. Yes, sometimes administrators talk with students. In fact, the very best administrators do a lot of that. It's important, "George," to get out of the office and interact with kids. Teachers often interact with kids as well. I myself used to wander around at noon sometimes, even after we no longer had "duty," and chatted with students. The other thing about administrators earning their money is that when teachers stop doing some of their professional duties administrators step in and do the work that teachers should be doing. Shameful that it has to be that way but kudos to the administrators for doing what's right for kids.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 14th, 2012, 11:03 am

And when the strike was on and there were no students?

The admins were chatting with themselves?? AND getting PAID???
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 14th, 2012, 11:46 am

    George+ wrote:And when the strike was on and there were no students?
    The admins were chatting with themselves?? AND getting PAID???
I certainly give most teachers more credit than I give you in recognizing that administrators work and work hard. Despite the dysfunctional system that we now have the majority of teachers do in fact get along with administrators and there is a mutual respect. Your total lack of respect for administrators is only typical of a certain breed of union radicals who are responsible for many of the problems that we now have. Suit yourself, "George," but you fail to see the irony in your comments about administrators given that many ignorant people out there say the same thing about teachers.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 14th, 2012, 3:43 pm

So, why don't you set a good example by
Giving up any pension gains since unionization?
Or the other benefits you gained as a retiree? :bethecoffee:

Anyone who has worked with the system, knows that
AOs have done much better than teachers.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Rwede » Dec 14th, 2012, 3:49 pm

George+ wrote:So, why don't you set a good example by
Giving up any pension gains since unionization?
Or the other benefits you gained as a retiree? :bethecoffee:

Anyone who has worked with the system, knows that
AOs have done much better than teachers.



What's the matter George, can't you make a go of it off your pension from being a teacher for 33 years? Hell, you're a 10 percenter with that kind of income. :127:
You are not stupid, I just think you have bad luck when thinking.

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But that is not unusual."
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 14th, 2012, 4:46 pm

    George+ wrote:So, why don't you set a good example by
    Giving up any pension gains since unionization?
    Or the other benefits you gained as a retiree? :bethecoffee:

    Anyone who has worked with the system, knows that
    AOs have done much better than teachers.
Typical BCTF "my way or the highway" attitude. I provide some inconvenient truths on here - too bad so sad "George." And here's some advice: Try to think more positively. All of this negative thinking directed against AO's isn't good for you.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby George+ » Dec 14th, 2012, 5:05 pm

Guess nothing will ever change and the
AOs will continue to suck up the Education bucks.

Your only solution is, ban the union.

Won't happen.
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Re: B.C. teachers rule on class size

Postby Urbane » Dec 14th, 2012, 5:38 pm

    George+ wrote:Guess nothing will ever change and the
    AOs will continue to suck up the Education bucks.

    Your only solution is, ban the union.

    Won't happen.
Why so bitter George? As a union militant I know you don't understand the concept that managers make more than the other employees but that's the way it is. AO's work hard and when they get a teacher like you they work even harder so kudos to them. And no, the BCTF isn't likely to be decertified but perhaps one day the leadership will be more of the Rick Guenther variety rather than the Susan Lambert variety. Let's hope.
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