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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Jan 31st, 2013, 3:44 pm

    George+ wrote:If you don't like the answer, do something about it.
And that's the answer you give when you know that you have no real answer. Of course it's not the expense of democracy that stops the BCTF from allowing teachers to vote on their leadership. All of us on here know that the BCTF radicals want to keep the status quo with only the delegates to the AGM being allowed to vote because that gives them the best chance to keep running the show. And the guys running the show wouldn't even let the delegates vote on whether or not to allow everyone a vote! That's totally undemocratic and yet you have the gaul to suggest that the BCTF is one of the most democratic unions around. Rubbish! And even you know it's rubbish.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Jan 31st, 2013, 3:51 pm

Your piety is showing, again, Urbane.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Jan 31st, 2013, 3:53 pm

Why not have a go, at trying to organize some teachers for the Spring AGM
and seeing what you can do. Grass roots.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Jan 31st, 2013, 5:09 pm

Another "non-answer" from George. The teachers need to take back their own union and I'd be in favour of legislation that mandates democratic elections within unions that members are forced to join as a condition of employment. And as I've said previously I think that membership in the BCTF for teachers should be voluntary.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby kibbs » Jan 31st, 2013, 5:26 pm

If you don't like the answer, do something about it.


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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Jan 31st, 2013, 5:57 pm

So, Urbane. What are you doing to push for legislation?
Teachers already voted about 90% to have a union.
Each one of them.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby LoneWolf_53 » Jan 31st, 2013, 6:11 pm

Same methods as used in electing executives no doubt.

Also some time back too! Feelings have changed.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Jan 31st, 2013, 6:37 pm

It seems pretty elementary to me that teachers should have the right to elect their executive. It'll be hard to change the present system unless the executive members change their mind and allow the right to vote to be voted upon. Or unless teachers rise up and absolutely demand the right to vote. How un-democratic can you get? The members can't even get a vote at the AGM on being allowed to vote for the executive. As I say, teachers need to take back their union. Right now it's all about the leaders and those leaders are not serving the best interests of teachers. And we should be considering the best interests of students as well but they're apparently way down on the list of priorities. Pity.

As to teachers back in the 1980's voting to unionize that was because Vander Zalm did not provide a viable contract resolution process for the non-union option. His proposal left teachers scratching their heads and it appears that the Zalm really wanted teachers in unions for some reason. Some speculate that he disliked teachers and knew that if they were in unions, running around with picket signs, and engaging in various job actions the public would view them less favourably. That's certainly been the case so maybe those people are on to something.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby LoneWolf_53 » Jan 31st, 2013, 6:46 pm

The numbers make no sense to me either. How many people do we have running the BC government, and they need 36 administrators to look after 40,000 teachers? Can't one person add up the payday take and make a run to the bank? :D
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Jan 31st, 2013, 6:59 pm

LoneWolf_53 wrote:The numbers make no sense to me either. How many people do we have running the BC government, and they need 36 administrators to look after 40,000 teachers? Can't one person add up the payday take and make a run to the bank? :D

No, the numbers make no sense. Time for teachers to start asking questions and demanding answers.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby LoneWolf_53 » Jan 31st, 2013, 7:05 pm

Urbane wrote:No, the numbers make no sense. Time for teachers to start asking questions and demanding answers.


Darn right they should be asking questions, Penticton's population is just barely above that amount of people and they don't have 36 people when you count all the councilors, and mayor, and they have a lot more to be accountable for than just putting union dues in the bank, and whining for the camera on a regular basis. I'm sure their elected officials don't make the same take home pay either.

That's quite the gig, where does one apply? :D
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:09 am

If you ask or look back through BCTF AGM resolutions, you will see that members have tried to
have the executive voted for by each BCTF member. These resolutions have been defeated because it would
increase member fees and usually produces about the same result as rep. voting.

However, persuade your disgruntled teachers, for this year's AGM and give it a try, again.

My understanding from teachers I know, is that some members of the exec. HAVE supported this
in past resolutions but it is voted down by the rep members for the reasons stated above.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:20 am

See Coquitlam/Comox resolution in this Newsletter re online voting:
http://www.coquitlamteachers.com/suppor ... a-2012.pdf

You would have to find someone with access to the RA minutes to see what
happened to these resolutions.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Rwede » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:40 am

George+ wrote:If you ask or look back through BCTF AGM resolutions, you will see that members have tried to
have the executive voted for by each BCTF member. These resolutions have been defeated because it would
increase member fees and usually produces about the same result as rep. voting.

However, persuade your disgruntled teachers, for this year's AGM and give it a try, again.

My understanding from teachers I know, is that some members of the exec. HAVE supported this
in past resolutions but it is voted down by the rep members for the reasons stated above.



Once again Georeg, if the BCTF were to stop giving their members' money away to the NDP, then there would be more than enough money in the coffers to have democratic voting without raising union dues. It's such a simple formula, even you should be able to understand it.
You are not stupid, I just think you have bad luck when thinking.

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But that is not unusual."
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 1st, 2013, 10:32 am

Proof?

And I note that teacher's do not even elect BCTF local execs. by
one member vote. They have to attend a General Meeting
and actually listen to the presentations/debate.

Want to tackle this one, too, Urbane?
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