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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby sooperphreek » Feb 4th, 2013, 4:39 pm

"George+"]Visit Rutland Middle School sometime.

Still no planning for a new school.

All about $$$s in this case and many
Others across the province sill in need of upgrading.
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I have. Yes, it's an older facility but that doesn't make it a bad facility. It needs to be upgraded when we can afford it and it's too bad we had to pay that $1 billion plus back to the feds when we extinguished the HST or we might have had the money to upgrade Rutland Middle. Oh well.[/quote]

do you really truly think that any money made from hst would have went towards a school in kelowna? honestly? that money would have been squandered in places it wasnt needed. thats just the way of the world.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Feb 4th, 2013, 4:43 pm

George in reply to me wrote:
BCTF Department heads, you twit.


    George+ wrote:Most people are past silly name calling because the person has a different point of view.

    But go ahead and keep it up,

    More votes for the NDP.

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As for the bargaining that resumed today I hope to be pleasantly surprised but it seems to me that unless the government decides to borrow another billion or two Susan Lambert will not be pleased. One would think she'd wait a few months in the hopes that her guy, Adrian Dix, will be calling the shots. And so ironic that if the BCTF hadn't helped to kill the HST maybe it would still be around and we'd have another $1.3 billion right now. Instead, we lost that money and our government revenues will go down starting on April 1st.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby NAB » Feb 4th, 2013, 4:54 pm

our government revenues will go down starting on April 1st.


I wouldn't mind seeing your math behind that assertion Urbane. That must be some amazing crystal ball you have :dyinglaughing:

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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby kibbs » Feb 4th, 2013, 5:06 pm

“This agreement will bring an early and positive start to bargaining,” Lambert said. “And with the good will on both sides that this heralds, we hope to reach a collective agreement before the end of the school year and the expiry of the current contract.”


they have agreed to agree on an agreement and hope to have it done by the end of the school year.Wow i think ill hold my breath till it happens. :purefury:
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Feb 4th, 2013, 6:27 pm

    NAB wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing your math behind that assertion Urbane. That must be some amazing crystal ball you have
    Nab
From the independent panel when the HST was still up for discussion before the referendum took place:

We can tell you this:
Going back to the PST can be done — just not overnight. It will take 18-24 months to go back.
The first year of going back to the PST/GST will result in the province losing more than half-a-billion dollars in revenue. That revenue gap will increase each year.
Going back will be expensive. The province will probably have to repay Ottawa the $1.6 billion it received to transition to the HST.
If the government borrowed $1.6 billion to repay Ottawa, it would cost $85 million a year in interest based on today’s interest rates.
The government will spend $35 million each year to run a new PST office.
The province’s control of sales tax policy will remain largely the same as it is now.

You asked for the math so there it is Nab.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 4th, 2013, 7:06 pm

So what have they done with the $2 billion plus that the HST has and will bring in as of April 1, 2013??
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby NAB » Feb 4th, 2013, 7:31 pm

I'm afraid that old often parroted sales pitch math is long totally obsolete Urbane . I could explain how once more but cannot be bothered (I am sure you are quite capable of figuring it out if you put an effort into it and have been paying close enough attention to developments associated with it), ...other than to remind you we are facing a new budget this month that I am sure will be taking all those old forecasts into consideration for implementation of corrective measures. ;-)

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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Feb 4th, 2013, 7:40 pm

    NAB wrote:I'm afraid that old often parroted math is long totally obsolete Urbane . I couild explain how but cannot be bothered (I am sure you are quite capable of figuring it out if you put an effort into it), ...other than to remind you we are facing a new budget this month that I am sure will be taking all those old forecasts into consideration for implementation of corrective measures. ;-)

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We can't do anything about it now but the independent panel got it right and the voters got it wrong (54% of the voters that is). We have people saying that the HST was a "cash grab" and you saying that it isn't bringing in more revenue. Hard to reconcile those two things but as I say the independent panel got it right. Yes, "adjustments" will be made and raising corporate taxes is likely one of those adjustments. That'll bring us back to the revenue levels we're getting with the HST minus the $1.2 billion of course ;-)
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby NAB » Feb 4th, 2013, 7:50 pm

What a clown you are Urbane, but I'm afraid your never ending act on the HST is getting rather stale, and as I said I cannot be bothered even discussing it again. Go back to your circuitous discussions with "george" that you seem to enjoy so much and try to keep to the topic of the thread.

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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Feb 4th, 2013, 7:56 pm

    NAB wrote:What a clown you are Urbane, but I'm afraid your never ending act on the HST is getting rather stale, and as I said I cannot be bothered even discussing it again. Go back to your circuitous discussions with "george" that you seem to enjoy so much and try to keep to the topic of the thread.

    bye

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Sad to see your responses to numerous posters lately to be so bitter. You asked me to produce some math and I did so. You dismiss the independent panel's math out of hand but produce no math yourself to refute what they said. Instead you just call me a clown. As I say, sad. My best to you though and I mean that sincerely.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 4th, 2013, 8:44 pm

"Circuitous" Us? That really hurt! :dyinglaughing:

But I do grow weary of the same old stale arguements about teachers.

For Urbane's benefit:

Twit-A foolishly annoying person.

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b. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.

Hardly in the same category. No revolution. No single party-well, maybe the Lieberals for awhile! :dyinglaughing:
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby Urbane » Feb 4th, 2013, 8:51 pm

Well, George, communists and twits should both realize that there isn't any more money in the kitty right now. It's bare. It would be irresponsible for any government of any stripe to give in to the excessive demands of the BCTF.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 4th, 2013, 9:04 pm

The B.C. govt. estimated that the HST would save businesses almost 2 BILLION DOLLARS in taxes.
Ain't going to happen now.
Guess they will have to suck it up.
Maybe this and a few other 'dodges' could pay most of what is owing???
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby George+ » Feb 4th, 2013, 9:07 pm

The BCTF demands are only "excessive" if they exceed the demands of inflation.
They don't.
What union would ever argue against inflationary increases.

And try not to be "circuitous" as I have
heard all of this before.

Time for financial solutions.
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Re: Teacher bargaining

Postby logicalview » Feb 4th, 2013, 10:37 pm

George+ wrote:The BCTF demands are only "excessive" if they exceed the demands of inflation.
They don't.
What union would ever argue against inflationary increases.

And try not to be "circuitous" as I have
heard all of this before.

Time for financial solutions.


The only financial solution is to disband the BCTF. They are an evil entity that must be disbanded.
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