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Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby kibbs » Feb 11th, 2013, 6:45 am

So why are they wanting to repeal the Clarity Act?


that's impossible to do but looks good to your separatist community .its politics it says a lot and does nothing.they must hold quebec and the liberals must regain ontario to put steve back in his place.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby George+ » Feb 11th, 2013, 9:17 am

The Clarity Act defines a majority.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby NAB » Feb 11th, 2013, 11:23 am

Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair? ....apparently not...

VICTORIA — B.C. New Democratic Party leader Adrian Dix opposes key aspects of the proposal by his national leader, Tom Mulcair, to rewrite the federal legislation regarding Quebec separation.

“Some of what Tom is doing is good,” Dix told me Thursday, “But I have a different view.”

The provincial NDP leader was reacting to a private member’s bill drafted by Mulcair and tabled in Parliament this week by the federal party.

The proposed legislation would replace and to some extent weaken the provisions of the Clarity Act, enacted by the federal Liberals in 2000 to establish tougher ground rules for any future Quebec referendum on separation.

Dix expressed sympathy for his federal leader’s venture into the controversial territory of the national unity file — “I’m very respectful of Tom.”

But in the course of a telephone interview, backstopped by written references supplied by the provincial leader’s office, Dix identified substantive problems with the Mulcair-authored “Act Respecting Democratic Change.”

First and foremost was the federal leader’s proposal to recognize a bare minimum threshold for success in any future “yes” vote on Quebec separation.

Providing the question were clear and there were no irregularities in the referendum, the Mulcair proposal would oblige Ottawa to enter into negotiations on Quebec separation if “the majority of valid votes are cast in favour of the proposed change.”

Thus a bare majority would be enough to set the wheels in motion to break up the country.

“I disagree with that,” Dix told me. He expects many British Columbians would also dispute that “50 per cent plus one would be enough” to automatically trigger negotiations on separation.

The provincial NDP leader repeated what he said earlier to my colleague Peter O’Neil of The Vancouver Sun: he favours the wording of the Clarity Act, with its reference to the need for a “clear majority” and the implication of a higher threshold, perhaps in the 55-per-cent range.

Dix also broke with his national leader on the role assigned to provincial governments in any acting out of another referendum on separation. Or, rather, as Dix characterizes it, the diminished role for the provinces in the Mulcair bill.

The existing Clarity Act specifies three opportunities for provincial governments to influence the course of events.

First, in deciding whether the referendum question is sufficiently clear to provide a mandate for separation, “the House of Commons shall take into account ... any formal statements or resolutions by the government or legislative assembly of any province.”

Likewise, “in considering whether there has been a clear expression of will by a clear majority ... the House of Commons shall take into account any formal statements or resolutions by the government or legislative assembly of any province.”

Presuming the referendum passed both of those tests — clear question, clear expression of will by a clear majority — the Clarity Act acknowledges a pivotal role for provinces in the subsequent negotiation:

“An amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all the provinces and the government of Canada.”

The Mulcair legislation drops any reference to provinces having a say in judging the clarity of the question or the decisiveness of the vote.

It does acknowledge, albeit grudgingly, that if the Constitution has to be amended to allow separation, the provinces could not be excluded from the process: “This Act does not limit the government of Canada’s authority to negotiate any constitutional amendment with the other participants in Confederation.”

Thus, in Dix’s comparative reading, Mulcair’s rewrite of the Clarity Act would eliminate any provincial role in the process, prior to the separation question being defined and decided. It is also less prescriptive as to the provincial role in any subsequent negotiation, seeming to give the federal government more flexibility in how it proceeds.

Mulcair envisions a process that would in large measure play out bilaterally between two parties, the Canadian nation and the Quebec nation.

Dix sees the country as a confederation of provinces and territories, each with a role in deciding on what grounds one of their number can depart legally and constitutionally. He also sees the need, as a would-be future premier of B.C., to preserve provincial prerogatives against any federal encroachment.

His comments highlighted a telling contrast to what Mulcair himself suggested in an interview this week.

“I’m not concerned about anybody in the NDP,” declared Mulcair, when my Ottawa-based colleague O’Neil asked if he and Dix were at odds on the matter. “All I can tell you is this: I’ve spoken with all of my provincial colleagues and they were all very much aware of what we’re putting on the table.”

Aware, yes. Endorsing, no. Dix’s clause-by-clause analysis delivered a made-in-B.C. critique of Mulcair’s flawed approach on Quebec separation.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby logicalview » Feb 12th, 2013, 9:55 pm

Good for nutless! Let's see if he keeps this up after the election and keeps telling the dimwit Mulcair to pound sand with his stupid policies. I doubt it.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby SmokeOnTheWater » Feb 12th, 2013, 10:06 pm

Are you guys talking about separation in the East or the West ?

" I, too, am one of these angry westerners ... We may love Canada but Canada does not love us ... Let's make ( Alberta ) strong enough that the rest of the country is afraid to threathen us . "

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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby George+ » Feb 12th, 2013, 10:22 pm

Western separatism??
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby kibbs » Feb 12th, 2013, 10:24 pm

[" I, too, am one of these angry westerners ... We may love Canada but Canada does not love us ... Let's make ( Alberta ) strong enough that the rest of the country is afraid to threathen us . "

S. Harper
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I wonder if steve is feeling the Canadian love yet?
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby logicalview » Feb 12th, 2013, 11:36 pm

And somehow, despite you boneheads continuing to dredge up irrelevant comments from 13 years ago, Stephen Harper's hold on power is as secure as ever, mostly due to the fact that the official opposition in this country is conprised of bumbling oafs who couldn't run a yard sale let alone a country. If you Harper haters focused even half the energy on creating a decent opposition as you do dredging up stupid comments, we might have someone else to vote for next electon. But that's hard work, and hard work and leftists don't mix, that is a universal constant.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby George+ » Feb 13th, 2013, 10:57 am

Yes we all know only the right with their big bucks know how to work. :dyinglaughing:

And blah, blah, blah.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby Veovis » Feb 13th, 2013, 11:21 am

NAB wrote:Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair? ....apparently not...



Interesting that he spent a week to reply. Proper political move really, national says one thing, wait and gauge the reaction of the people you hope to lead and then somewhat sit on the fence to try to please both. It doesn't scream "I'm wanting what's best for BC" to me, it screams "this is the best move popularity wise right now" but at least he didn't just obediently tow the federal party opinion, that's good to see.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby George+ » Feb 13th, 2013, 5:08 pm

Agree.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby albertabound » Mar 23rd, 2013, 1:57 pm

:sunshine: You would have to be a total idiot to sgree with the dumb ass mockhair. :skippingsheep:
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby Omnitheo » Apr 1st, 2013, 8:30 pm

albertabound wrote::sunshine: You would have to be a total idiot to sgree with the dumb ass mockhair. :skippingsheep:


You would have to have very little solid ground to stand on to resort to a childish mocking of someone's name and hair in an attempt to discredit their political ability.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby logicalview » Apr 1st, 2013, 10:21 pm

Omnitheo wrote:
You would have to have very little solid ground to stand on to resort to a childish mocking of someone's name and hair in an attempt to discredit their political ability.


Quite right. Mulcair is a big enough buffoon when just judged on his personality, stupid policies and his lack of political acumen.
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Re: Adrian Dix - in the closet with separatist Mulcair?

Postby albertabound » Apr 2nd, 2013, 8:14 am

:ohmygod: I am not mocking his hair , but he is a total idiot, and you would have to be one to agree with him. All he wants is power for quebec and could not care one bit about the rest of the coumtry, especially about sask , alberta, and a bit with bc.
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