U.S. Presidential Election 2012

[normaM]

don't be so quick to dismiss the Bush family.. powerful ppl back them.
Hilary C would rip out your heart and show it to you before you died, I would never ever mess with her :)

[Poindexter]

I think it's now safe to say Al Gore won the 2000 election. It's just fortunate their results don't matter this time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/no ... nger-grows

One has to wonder how things might have been different if the W years didn't exist.

[theyeti]

u get that feeling about hillary too ?? lol

[Glacier]

I think it's now safe to say Al Gore won the 2000 election.

But only if you're a conspiracy theorist. :2305:

[normaM]

u get that feeling about hillary too ?? lol

hell I would want her to have my back in a fight
She is driven - I wouldn't get in her way at Safeway :P
She has spent her Life rising to this, she would run over baby ducks if need be

[Captain Awesome]

I'm pretty sure Hilary is a dude.

[Poindexter]

I think it's now safe to say Al Gore won the 2000 election.

But only if you're a conspiracy theorist. :2305:

The facts speak for themselves and once again Florida's going to be found engaging in voter suppression.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-a ... 75627.html

And as for 2016, I think a Clinton - Christie battle would fill the ticket.

[hobbyguy]

I have trouble seeing how Chris Christie could get through the primary - he's much too honest. If someone like Eric Cantor, or Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio (or all of them) ran against him, he'd be toast. I think Jeb Bush would be toast too, far too moderate for the current base.

Plus the Republican base will NEVER forgive Christie for saying something nice about Obama.

I have trouble comprehending how far out there the Teapublican base can be. My dad's wife - a died in wool Obama hater believes:

1. Obamacare is NOT like Romneycare and strips away her medicare.
2. Obama was NOT born in the USA.
3. Obama is a muslim.
4. etc. etc. etc. etc.

She loves Paul Ryan, Jim Demint and Eric Cantor, thinks Boehner is a RINO.

[peaceseeker]

Presidential Elections: Powerful “Special Interest Groups” Won Again
http://www.globalresearch.ca/presidenti ... in/5310972
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Global Research, November 07, 2012

The election that was supposed to be too close to call turned out not to be so close after all. In my opinion, Obama won for two reasons:

(1) Obama is non-threatening and inclusive, whereas Romney exuded a “us vs. them” impression that many found threatening, and

(2) the election was not close enough for the electronic voting machines to steal.

As readers know, I don’t think that either candidate is a good choice or that either offers a choice. Washington is controlled by powerful interest groups, not by elections. What the two parties fight over is not alternative political visions and different legislative agendas, but which party gets to be the whore for Wall Street, the military-security complex, Israel Lobby, agribusiness, and energy, mining, and timber interests.

Being the whore is important, because whores are rewarded for the services that they render. To win the White House or a presidential appointment is a career-making event as it makes a person sought after by rich and powerful interest groups. In Congress the majority party can provide more services and is thus more valuable than the minority party. One of our recent presidents who was not rich ended up with $36 million shortly after leaving office, as did former UK prime minister Tony Blair, who served Washington far better than he served his own country.

Wars are profitable for the military/security complex. Israel rewards its servants and punishes its enemies. Staffing environmental regulatory agencies with energy, mining, and timber executives is regarded by those interests as very friendly behavior.

Many Americans understand this and do not bother to vote as they know that whichever candidate or party wins, the interest groups prevail. Ronald Reagan was the last president who stood up to interest groups, or, rather, to some of them. Wall Street did not want his tax rate reductions, as Wall Street thought the result would be higher inflation and interest rates and the ruination of their stock and bond portfolios. The military/security complex did not want Reagan negotiating with Gorbachev to end the cold war.

What is curious is that voters don’t understand how politics really works. They get carried away with the political rhetoric and do not see the hypocrisy that is staring them in the face. Proud patriotic macho American men voted for Romney who went to Israel and, swearing allegiance to his liege lord, groveled at the feet of Netanyahu. Obama plays on the heart strings of his supporters by relating a story of a child with leukemia now protected by Obamacare, while he continues to murder thousands of children and their parents with drones and other military actions in seven countries. Obama was able to elicit cheers from supporters as he described the onward and upward path of America toward greater moral accomplishments, while his actual record is that of a tyrant who codified into law the destruction of the US Constitution and the civil liberties of the American people.

The election was about nothing except who gets to serve the interest groups. The wars were not an issue in the election. Washington’s provoking of Iran, Russia, and China by surrounding them with military bases was not an issue. The unconstitutional powers asserted by the executive branch to detain citizens indefinitely without due process and to assassinate them on suspicion alone were not an issue in the election. The sacrifice of the natural environment to timber, mining, and energy interests was not an issue, except to promise more sacrifice of the environment to short-term profits. Out of one side of the mouth came the nonsense promise of restoring the middle class while from the other side of the mouth issued defenses of the offshoring of their jobs and careers as free trade.

The inability to acknowledge and to debate real issues is a threat not only to the United States but also to the entire world. Washington’s reckless pursuit of hegemony driven by an insane neoconservative ideology is leading to military confrontation with Russia and China. Eleven years of gratuitous wars with more on the way and an economic policy that protects financial institutions from their mistakes have burdened the US with massive budget deficits that are being monetized. The US dollar’s loss of the reserve currency role and hyperinflation are plausible consequences of disastrous economic policy.

How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” can hold a presidential election without any discussion of these very real and serious problems being part of it? How can anyone be excited or made hopeful about such an outcome?

[peaceseeker]

[sooperphreek]

its nice to see that obama will be able to build a legacy that dubyah obviously didnt. we will have clinton who did great with 2 terms as far as legacy and effectiveness, bush who was a disaster for the country and his legacy is hurting the economy right now, and obama who was more successfull than carter in convincing people that he could clean up the mess. plus the US has logical medical for the first time ever. it will be interesting to see. small business may whine about how tough things are but free market doesnt mean you can just have a small business for tax breaks. and times are tough all round.

[The Green Barbarian]

its nice to see that obama will be able to build a legacy ...

No matter how bad a job Obama does, the liberal media will spin it so that he has a "legacy", it's a foregone conclusion, much like generations now are growing up thinking Trudeau and Kennedy were some kind of mythical figures who did magical things during their respective terms in office, while reality is a completely different story.

[grammafreddy]

... and they are about to get a lot tougher.

[sooperphreek]

its nice to see that obama will be able to build a legacy ...

No matter how bad a job Obama does, the liberal media will spin it so that he has a "legacy", it's a foregone conclusion, much like generations now are growing up thinking Trudeau and Kennedy were some kind of mythical figures who did magical things during their respective terms in office, while reality is a completely different story.

i have to smile when you as a diehard right winger preach about "reality". all the republicans in the states from fox news and their consultants in the republican party have to live down all the "realistic predictions" they made about romney winning the presidency. and he got spanked! makes you wonder who has a better grasp on reality.....

[hobbyguy]

The funny thing is that I expected this election to be really close. I figured it was a 50-50 deal from the get go.

So I thought, what's going to be the deciding factor?

Then I thought about the passion of the bunny folks in Kelowna, extrapolated that, and put my money on Obama for the simple reason that Mitt had strapped his dog on the roof of his car. Bet if you ask around you can find 1 or 2 people out of a hundred that wouldn't vote for a guy who strapped his dog on the roof of his car under any circumstances, regardless of policy positions.

1-2% swing to Romney and a different result.

The revenge of Seamus! Romney's downfall.