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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Glacier » Sep 18th, 2012, 2:04 pm

Here is how Obama is viewed from an western atheistic viewpoint.

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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Homeownertoo » Sep 19th, 2012, 7:44 pm

Quixote wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:That's not about left or right wing. It's about the govt being unable to do the right thing, and the populace unable to see it needs to be done.

Bill Clinton borrowed more money than every single president before him combined.
George Bush borrowed more money than every single president before him combined.
Obama borrowed more money than every single president before him combined.

I see a pattern here.


This is false, check out: http://www.skymachines.com/US-National- ... l-Term.htm

Net changes in the US National Debt by presidential term:
Regan increased the debt by $2.5T over 2 terms, Bush by 1.5T over 1 term, Clinton by 1.5T over 2 terms, Bush II by 5.0T over 2 terms, Obama by 5.2T over one term.

In relative terms, Regan's increase was 189%, Bush 56%, Clinton by 36%, Bush II by 89%, Obama by 41%.

Obama's on track to do as much damage as Bush II, but that could turn around soon - the savings by implementing his healthcare plan alone are expected to save $700B over the next 9 years, and the bailouts could end up paying off to the tune of $100B: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/ ... aying-off/

There are no savings from Obamascare. Your numbers are a total fraud, based on collecting revenue for the first four years yet not paying out till the fifth. From the tenth year on, it goes into the hole. Anyway, budgets are passed by Congress, not the president. Reagan's numbers look bad because the Democrat Congress refused the cuts he wanted.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Poindexter » Sep 21st, 2012, 2:21 pm

I'm surprised anyone even takes the Republicans seriously, I know I can have some out there opinions but anyone who thinks the world would be better off with Mitt and his band of traitors in charge do not have a firm grasp on reality.

Even if we let them off the hook for possibly destroying the world's economy under Bush, to me what's even more telling is what they've done since. Treason is defined by a "violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state". Can the actions of the Republican Congress through out Obama's presidency be described in any other way?

They don't care about the nation, they care about themselves and they'll be damned to have a democrat repair the damage they did. They dream for another Carter and they will bring the country to ruin to make it happen.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Homeownertoo » Sep 21st, 2012, 5:08 pm

No need to dream. He's here, he's in the WH. And a second term will be a disaster for the US.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby steven lloyd » Sep 21st, 2012, 6:25 pm

Poindexter wrote:I'm surprised anyone even takes the Republicans seriously, ...

The writers from Saturday Night Live are absolutely loving all the new material :dyinglaughing:
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby hobbyguy » Sep 22nd, 2012, 10:15 am

Sad to see the demonizing promoted by the far far right in the discussion. Rather than facts, whenever cornered we get nonsense like "Obamascare".

Perhaps the most underrated president was George H.W. Bush. He recognized that Reagan's slogans would not stand the test of time. He recognized that "Reaganomics" was largely a political ploy and correctly called it "voodoo economics". He was courageous enough to stand up to the neocons and refuse to "continue on to Bahgdad". He was courageous enough to stand up to the very wealthy and raise taxes. The deficit, which ballooned under Reagan, started to come down. For these acts on behalf of the country, he was abandoned, especially for his tax increase having violated his "read my lips" speech.

Bill Clinton was able to build on these reasonable policies, and the US deficit continued to shrink away, and the fate of the middle class actually started to improve again after years of decline.

The we got the unmitigated disaster of the Cheney-Bush years. "On to Bahgdad", "Into Afghanistan", "Deficits don't matter", "tax cuts will make it all better" and on and on into the financial meltdown, TARP and a complete and utter mess. The Cheney credit card still had years of involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan left on it, as well as years of what were always unsustainable disasterous tax cuts and giveaways (like the stupid corn ethanol subsidy that continues).

I am amazed that Obama has been able to start turning the US around given the legacy that Cheney left behind. The US deficit is starting to come down, and although very slowly, things are beginning to get better for the average American. If Boehner had any control over his "knuckledraggers", even more improvement would be evident.

By the way, I'm not a fan of Romneycare (which in national form is "Obamacare"). It continues the myth of government inefficiency. It still costs almost twice as much as the single payer systems that European and countries like Australia and Canada use, despite not providing fully universal health care, and despite US healthcare outcomes being worse overall than all of those countries.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Poindexter » Sep 23rd, 2012, 8:41 am

Homeownertoo wrote:No need to dream. He's here, he's in the WH. And a second term will be a disaster for the US.


Homes are you aware of powers that shape your beliefs? Have you ever considered that your outrage and anger towards a man you know little about has been manufactured?

On GPS today Salmon Rushdie was a guest and when he described the "Outrage Machine" Islam has become he could just as well been describing western society. For example, this you tube video that has the world of Islam upset is not described by their clerics as low quality video created by a low quality mind, they describe it as a sign that the highest levels of US Intelligence are involved in a world wide conspiracy to wipe out Islam.

When you are served a heaping side of rhetoric about Obama in steaming bed of mashed anger consider for a moment that you are being sheeped, I mean shaped into a definition of yourself that is defined by someone else's "manufactured outrage".
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 10th, 2012, 1:37 pm

gets a second term to solidify his legacy and build upon it. happy days ahead.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 10th, 2012, 1:39 pm

this video sums it up pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmhY-MqflIg
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby hobbyguy » Nov 12th, 2012, 11:37 am

sooperfreak, I disagree with the idea that happy days are ahead just because Obama got a second term.

The Cheney-Bush crowd have left such a legacy of financial ruin and unfunded ruin, that it will be at least another decade in the sorting. C-B committed to so much on the "buy now - pay later plan" that a painful period is inevitable.

My analogy is that you got a good job and with it a big bonus, following which you bought every little thing your heart desires. So now you have a big mortgage to pay, a fancy boat on payments, two new snowmobiles on payments, a new Beamer and new F350 on payments, a new 5th wheel on payments, a media room on payments, contracts for 4 smartphones, a new swimming pool on payments, etc. etc. and there are no salary bonuses and your hours have been cut to part time - OUCH. So you ask your brother to help you sort out your finances - not much he can do is there?

Collide that scenario with the aging baby boom and some tough times are hard to avoid. Aging boomers are not going to consume as much but will consume a lot more services. The "catch 22" situations are numerous, for example if you reduce the pension payments that seniors get (which is already happening in a "soft" way) then seniors (a growing demographic) start cutting back on purchases and you get less economic growth - which means less taxes to pay for the reduced pensions, so maybe you have to reduce pensions again, and the cylce keeps going.

The sorting that this demographic shift requires SHOULD have started happening in the 1990's, but when the Clintons tried to address the health care problem they got slaughtered by the Republican congress. When Obama tried to introduce the "public option", guess what - the Republican congress slaughtered it. So the American public/government continue to overpay for substandard health care. Seniors = lots of health care, so this financial freight train is still coming down the tracks and the brakes have failed.

Obama is faced not with just a Republican congress, but a Teapublican congress - hard to be optomistic that results will be anything but painful, flawed, and slow.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby sooperphreek » Nov 12th, 2012, 12:27 pm

we shall see what his legacy will be. it wont be for wars.....which is great.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby Woodenhead » Nov 12th, 2012, 1:18 pm

Yeah, my prediction going into this election was that whoever won, that party wouldn't win the next presidential election. things are in too much of a shambles & the "fix" won't come in time (I actually feel there will be another big dip), regardless of who is in power. For this reason, it's probably better for the Repubs that they lost - imagine another dip hit on their watch.

Altho if Clinton runs next time, that might change my predicted outcome.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby averagejoe » Nov 26th, 2012, 9:23 pm

The World's new Lord and Savior! He has done so much for the World in such a short time than Jesus did!

Actor Jamie Foxx hails “our Lord and Savior, Barack Obama”

There are some consequences to cultivating a creepy cult of personality in order to win elections. For example, there’s always the danger of your more… energetic supporters going overboard in their worship of Dear Leader.

Such was the case at the Soul Train Awards last Sunday, when actor Jamie Foxx declared, “It’s like church over here! First of all, give an honor to God and our Lord and Savior, Barack Obama.” He then led the audience in chanting the President’s name.

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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

Postby steelrules » Nov 27th, 2012, 10:43 am

Barry is sure good for gun sales, 20% higher sales this year than last years record for Black Friday.
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Re: Barack Obama's Presidency

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