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Re: Pipelines

Postby alanjh595 » Mar 19th, 2018, 4:02 pm

the truth wrote:
Snowbound wrote:Lower mainland gas prices hitting $1.55/L and going higher. Same people protesting pipelines are now complaining about fuel prices. Karma is a *bleep*.



yup :laugh:


Don't laugh, $1.55 in the Okanagan this Summer could be considered a bargain. The price in Vancouver is projected to hit $2.00/liter.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby Snowbound » Mar 19th, 2018, 5:03 pm

I don't think too many people realize that pipeline carries more than Dilbit. It is a "batch" line, and it ships all types of fuel and different crude oil.

It would be very easy for them to cut off all batches of jet fuel, diesel, gasoline, etc. Change the line to 100% Dilbit and let the lower mainland come to a grinding halt.

I wonder if they will protest the tankers bringing fuel INTO the port?

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Catsumi » Mar 19th, 2018, 6:24 pm

Along the way someone asked "wherefore art thou JT, in our time of need?" so obligingly I called his costumery department who said that several grass skirts are missing from hangers.

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Terris » Mar 25th, 2018, 9:29 am

Time to nationalize the oil industry... again...
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Re: Pipelines

Postby Snowbound » Mar 25th, 2018, 1:21 pm

Terris wrote:Time to nationalize the oil industry... again...


You trust the Gov't to not mess that up LOL. It would end up like any other colossal failure they have had their fingers in. Think ICBC on a much larger scale.

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Jack DeBear » Mar 30th, 2018, 3:21 pm

Grain railway backlog another reason to expand oil pipeline: Alberta premier

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Having oil shipped by rail isn’t good for anyone’s bottom line, Notley said.

“The minute we get (oil and gas products) on to rail, we start selling them at a massive discount,” Notley said Thursday in Lethbridge.

“That’s not good. Meanwhile, the other folks that need rail start losing their profit margin because they’re having to bid up in order to get access — big consequences to the whole country. That’s why we need to operate like a country.”

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Re: Pipelines

Postby nepal » Apr 4th, 2018, 4:34 pm

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The new look at Vancouver's waterfront: A pipeline on wheels. It was said the rail-tankers would come if the pipeline didn't, so rail tankers we have. These will be great for the environment and especially safe rumbling around urban Vancouver! Far more rail tankers are on the way, as this is just the start. Why put the oil in a skinny burried pipe covered by grass! Too bad for grain farmers, as the rail capacity is moving to oil.
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Re: Pipelines

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Hassel99 » Apr 4th, 2018, 6:50 pm

i bet no one protests the twinning of the rail line.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby ninetyninepct » Apr 6th, 2018, 2:00 pm

hobbyguy wrote:The problem isn't with supply pipelines. The problem is with EXPORT pipelines and tankers.

The second problem is that the refinery in Burnaby is being squeezed out because the pipeline won't give them priority for grades they can handle. As far as I know, no refinery in BC can handle dilbit, which is largely what the KM pipeline now carries.

IF you want a pipeline east, then it should go to replace imports, creating jobs in Canada with Canadian resources. That would not be nearly as hard to sell as the EXPORT pipeline being proposed.

None of the proposed pipelines will support more than a couple hundred jobs in Canada (other than Alberta), and the coastal provinces take all the risk/cost while getting diddly. IF the feds had their heads on right, they would simply say Energy East but the product must be refined in Canada to replace the imports. Lots of good jobs back east makes it a far easier sell, and fewer tankers on the import side would go a fair ways to making an environmental argument.

That's the key element, that they are export pipelines. The jurisdictions which they flow through see almost no benefit and big time risks.

Who benefits from export pipelines? The likes of CNOOC... not Canadians.


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Energy East was shut down by Trudeau who hates Canada with an obscene passion. He changed the rules specifically to make it impossible for Canadian oil to be exported by involving the stupid upstream & downstream effects. Note that he didn't do squat about the steel mills which use massive quantities of filthy coal and he didn't change their rules to include up and downstream effects. It takes a lot of diesel to mine and transport coal, the coal that spews out filthy dust along every rail line. There was no consideration regarding the downstream effects of steel manufacturing. Polluting cars and trucks, military weapons and ammunition, diesed ambulances, diesel powered ferries, oil-powered ships that transport Canadian grain. Steel production MUST be shut down immediately.

Jobs?? How many jobs are needed to drill for the oil, to mine the tar sands, to manufacture all the drill rigs, all the welders needed, all the food and clothing needed for these people to work? A couple of hundred jobs?? MY God how small-minded.

The fat arrogant little Montreal mayor made the clown prince dance when he demanded no pipeline under any circumstances. Quebec is actually quite proud that they scam Canada with their welfare transfer payments, money that indirectly goes to buy Nigerian blood and rape oil. We would think that the clown prince would be all over importing that *bleep* but he actually supports it even as he arrogantly lies about being some kind of fake feminist.

Sure, shut down Canadian exports as not benefiting Canada. At the same time, shut down Vancouver harbor as it will be useless. There would be a few resource supported jobs lost. Ban all Cruise ships as they don't really serve any useful purpose either other than using huge amounts of diesel and they dump their stinking sewage in the ocean.

I Look forward to Alberta demanding the the KM pipeline be shut down for a few months for a detailed safety inspection to make the enviro-terrorists happy. No gas, no diesel, no jet fuel. There will be anarchy in the entire province except for those cities and towns close to Alberta and Washington where peoplekind will go for food and fuel. Those of us further away will be visiting your place from time to time to relieve you of your food and supplies and no, we won't be paying, if you get my drift. We will thank you for going shopping for us as we fill our trucks with your groceries and gas. Oh, by the way, run out and shut off the valve to the natural gas line that heats your house. Show those damn resource Canadians how you feel by refusing to buy gasoline and diesel for your 8000km car.

When KM is shut down for inspection, those with the most ammo will win.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby Snowbound » Apr 6th, 2018, 3:35 pm

I keep seeing this "only a couple hundred jobs" being thrown around. Complete BS.

I personally know at least a few dozen people who work in Oilsands and live in BC. From just a single project. You can bet there are hundreds of Okanagan families that make their living from oil and gas. Those numbers are WAY down from 2 years ago now that all the mega projects are finished up and very few new ones getting started due to government policy and taxation. Only the permanent operations and maintenance jobs remain.

Those very good paying jobs are disappearing, and the huge amounts of income tax the BC government collects from those wages will vanish along with the jobs.

The pipeline is a bottleneck. A new pipeline will allow increased development of the industry, and jobs that will come with it. Permanent jobs and temporary construction jobs for Okanagan families.

Energy East is the next big hurdle we must overcome, and Trudeau should do what is right for Canada and push it through. The Easterners won't like it, but they will still vote for him anyways.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby alanjh595 » Apr 6th, 2018, 5:00 pm

Attack on PM's security

A man protesting the prime minister's visit to Victoria was arrested on Thursday.

In a brief two-line news release Friday morning, Victoria police say the man was arrested for an "assault that involved the security detail of the prime minister."

A Victoria Police officer was injured during the course of the arrest, but has since returned to work.

The unidentified protester has been released on a promise to appear in court.

Police are still investigating and are releasing no further information.

Hundreds of people protesting expansion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline showed up at events attended by Justin Trudeau in Vancouver and Victoria, Thursday.

The PM was visiting the Ogden Point Coast Guard base in Victoria when the alleged assault presumably took place.


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Re: Pipelines

Postby Terris » Apr 7th, 2018, 10:31 am

Snowbound wrote:
Terris wrote:Time to nationalize the oil industry... again...


You trust the Gov't to not mess that up LOL. It would end up like any other colossal failure they have had their fingers in. Think ICBC on a much larger scale.


Have you forgotten, or were you even alive, the last time the oil industry was nationalized (Petro Can) back in the 70's?

Suncor et al. are the spinoff result of that and it hasn't taken them long to mess things up either.

If this issue is of "national interest", than it should have more national control...
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Re: Pipelines

Postby Terris » Apr 7th, 2018, 10:53 am

Conversely...

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Five+y ... story.html

Pretending it can't happen, or that pipelines are a better solution is wrong minded.

How many here are aware that the main Terasen gas line feeding Kelowna, ruptured last year at the Vernon Creek crossing as a result of the runoff?

How many creeks and rivers does the pipeline cross now ?

Alberta might be OK with their dystopic creations in their lust for oil money, but does that mean we all should be Ok with it?

In the national interest of course...

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Snowbound » Apr 7th, 2018, 3:31 pm

Terris,

World oil demand is in the neighborhood of 90 million bbls/day. How would you suggest we replace that with "Green" technology?

I guess hemp oil can be used to make plastic and run diesel engines? Are you ready to replace every crop in the world with hemp? That still wouldn't cover demand, not to mention we kinda need the food...

Wind and solar are not economically viable ( $.45 per GJ compared to $.05 per GJ for coal fired generation)

Yes, we need to work toward new technology, but we are talking generations before they are economical. There is no guarantee that an act of God won't take out the pipeline. Everything we do in life has a risk, but the percentages are extremely low.
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