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NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 24th, 2017, 11:51 am

The biggest lump of coal should go to Christy Clark, or perhaps even a leaky canister of LNG, for all the lies she told British Columbians since 2011. Or, even better, an I.O.U. to replace all the debt she incurred during her tenure.
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/214695 ... nta-s-list
I don't think Santa is at all partisan. The jolly old elf simply tells it like it is.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby JagXKR » Dec 24th, 2017, 11:56 am

Cactusflower wrote:The biggest lump of coal should go to Christy Clark, or perhaps even a leaky canister of LNG, for all the lies she told British Columbians since 2011. Or, even better, an I.O.U. to replace all the debt she incurred during her tenure.
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/214695 ... nta-s-list
I don't think Santa is at all partisan. The jolly old elf simply tells it like it is.


What a great thing to do at Christmas. Shows their true colours. Instead of showing the good things they will do they keep harping on what the Libs did. Truly great leadership.
I do have one wish from Santa. Get the NDG out or at least stop them from forming endless committees and keep them to all the promises they made. I know it's a big one Santa but if you could even get them to do one, just one good thing.
Why use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 24th, 2017, 12:05 pm

JagXKR wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:The biggest lump of coal should go to Christy Clark, or perhaps even a leaky canister of LNG, for all the lies she told British Columbians since 2011. Or, even better, an I.O.U. to replace all the debt she incurred during her tenure.
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/214695 ... nta-s-list
I don't think Santa is at all partisan. The jolly old elf simply tells it like it is.


What a great thing to do at Christmas. Shows their true colours. Instead of showing the good things they will do they keep harping on what the Libs did. Truly great leadership.
I do have one wish from Santa. Get the NDG out or at least stop them from forming endless committees and keep them to all the promises they made. I know it's a big one Santa but if you could even get them to do one, just one good thing.


Some BC Lib supporters have a sense of humour. Looks like you're not one of them.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 24th, 2017, 12:14 pm

Actually CF, bad taste is bad taste. The NDP trying to USE Christmas for their stoopid partisan purposes is crass, ignorant, and in bad taste. Only the petty minded NDP would stoop so low.

You continue to assume that people who don't like such foolish and childish nonsense as partisans for another party, when they are not. Recognizing the BC NDP as a bunch of low brow self serving manipulators with nothing to offer isn't partisan.

This dumb stunt of "Santa's" list is just one more piece of ignoramus behavior by the BC NDP. Says something about who they think their base of support is, and how they can be manipulated. It is insulting to folks who support good policy, not nonsense.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 24th, 2017, 12:26 pm

hobbyguy wrote:This dumb stunt of "Santa's" list is just one more piece of ignoramus behavior by the BC NDP. Says something about who they think their base of support is, and how they can be manipulated. It is insulting to folks who support good policy, not nonsense.


Indeed, that being the gullible and easily led.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 24th, 2017, 12:41 pm

hobbyguy wrote:Actually CF, bad taste is bad taste. The NDP trying to USE Christmas for their stoopid partisan purposes is crass, ignorant, and in bad taste. Only the petty minded NDP would stoop so low.

You continue to assume that people who don't like such foolish and childish nonsense as partisans for another party, when they are not. Recognizing the BC NDP as a bunch of low brow self serving manipulators with nothing to offer isn't partisan.

This dumb stunt of "Santa's" list is just one more piece of ignoramus behavior by the BC NDP. Says something about who they think their base of support is, and how they can be manipulated. It is insulting to folks who support good policy, not nonsense.


Oh, come on HG. Must you always make a mountain out of a mole hill? The list could have been much longer. And anyway, the BCLP is quite capable of defending itself in the media, as you will no doubt find out in the coming days.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 24th, 2017, 1:06 pm

Speaking of, who is queen of making mountains out of mole hills? Lambasting the liberals on every opportunity on every thread, just to make the NDG look better. Guess what? What do you get when you put lipstick on a pig?
The NDG is still a funny looking pig in a horse pasture.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Urbane » Dec 24th, 2017, 1:43 pm

What a mean-spirited and ignorant thing for the NDP to do at Christmas. Those running the party clearly have no idea of the Christmas spirit. Surprising? No. Disappointing? Yes.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 24th, 2017, 3:09 pm

Urbane wrote:What a mean-spirited and ignorant thing for the NDP to do at Christmas. Those running the party clearly have no idea of the Christmas spirit. Surprising? No. Disappointing? Yes.


Before you start bashing the NDP any further, I'd like you to take a look at these CBC archives. Just wait until you have some time off in your busy holiday schedule to read it all. Most importantly, watch the videos. Very interesting!
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/bcs-co ... -campaigns
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 24th, 2017, 3:37 pm

I have stopped reading your stuff. It is always off base and useless.

Let's look at what it takes to make a case.
1st. The preponderance of evidence to support the claim.
preponderance of the evidence
n. the greater weight of the evidence required in a civil (non-criminal) lawsuit for the trier of fact (jury or judge without a jury) to decide in favor of one side or the other. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence over a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony, or a signed agreement with definite terms may outweigh opinions or speculation about what the parties intended. Preponderance of the evidence is required in a civil case and is contrasted with "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is the more severe test of evidence required to convict in a criminal trial. No matter what the definition stated in various legal opinions, the meaning is somewhat subjective.

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1586

Not to be confused with:
Reasonable doubt is a term used in jurisdiction of Anglo-Saxon countries. Evidence that is beyond reasonable doubt is the standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_doubt
This is a much higher standard than "Preponderance of Evidence".

Anyone that makes a claim, must bare the "Burden of Proof" of their claim.
The Burden of Proof
The burden of proof determines which party is responsible for putting forth evidence and the level of evidence they must provide in order to prevail on their claim. In most cases, the plaintiff (the party bringing the claim) has the burden of proof.

The burden of proof has two components. First, the plaintiff must satisfy the burden of production, which has also been referred to as the burden of going forward. As the terms suggest, this burden requires the plaintiff to put forth evidence in the form of witness testimony, documents, or objects.

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigatio ... ens-proof/

What proof on the balance of probabilities means in theory
Before asking what proof on the balance of probabilities means in practice, it is helpful to know what it means in theory.
In a family case (Re B [2008] UKHL 35), Lord Hoffman answered that question using a mathematical analogy:
"If a legal rule requires a fact to be proved (a 'fact in issue'), a judge or jury must decide whether or not it happened. There is no room for a finding that it might have happened. The law operates a binary system in which the only values are 0 and 1. The fact either happened or it did not. If the tribunal is left in doubt, the doubt is resolved by a rule that one party or the other carries the burden of proof. If the party who bears the burden of proof fails to discharge it, a value of 0 is returned and the fact is treated as not having happened. If he does discharge it, a value of 1 is returned and the fact is treated as having happened."

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters. ... sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1

Therefore, in conclusion; Those that make claims without evidence or facts are just opinions and have NO validity.
To add that, someone that continually shows that their opinions are biased based upon their NDG affiliations and dislike for the previous Liberal government have PROVEN themselves to be an unreliable source of information. Those that continue to follow their path without the ability to accept that others may have a valid point, are in fact only one rung higher than fecal flinging, primates.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 24th, 2017, 3:44 pm

^^ deflect away, ignorant behavior by the BC NDP is just that. Rather silly to trying to defend such childish schoolyard rubbish.
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Piecemaker » Dec 24th, 2017, 3:53 pm

Geez people. Lighten up and put your tongue in your cheek.
If it were the Liberals creating the list, you'd think it was brilliant!
It's possible to do all the right things and still get a bad result.

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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 24th, 2017, 4:05 pm

Piecemaker wrote:Geez people. Lighten up and put your tongue in your cheek.
If it were the Liberals creating the list, you'd think it was brilliant!


Nope. It would be equally unacceptable. Why do the NDP supporters seem to think something this childish is ok if it comes from the orange tinfoil hat bunch?
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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Piecemaker » Dec 24th, 2017, 4:27 pm

Who says I'm a NDP supporter?!
I'm just tired of the inability of BOTH NDP or Liberal supporters to acknowledge any failings of the party they support or any good actions of the party that they don't support.
It's possible to do all the right things and still get a bad result.

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Re: NDP leaks Santa's list

Postby Urbane » Dec 24th, 2017, 4:29 pm

    Piecemaker wrote:Geez people. Lighten up and put your tongue in your cheek.
    If it were the Liberals creating the list, you'd think it was brilliant!
Not true at all. I called out the Liberals many times for an array of things. Ignorant is ignorant. Mean-spirited is mean-spirited.
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