Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby OllyV » Jul 26th, 2018, 12:09 pm

fluffy wrote:... if we were to embrace socialism to that degree.


I know it is a bit off topic but I always find it strange that socialism is such a bad word in the states (and oddly, to many Canadians) except they love the military more than anything and the military IS socialism. It is essentially a massive welfare program.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby fluffy » Jul 26th, 2018, 2:46 pm

That is largely because of the scare tactics used by governments leaning more to the right, they count on people not knowing that socialism is not really a bad word. Public education, subsidized medical, taxpayer supported infrastructure, these are all examples of socialist theory at work.

At the other end of the scale, pure capitalism, is where I see those who have bought houses for exclusive use as short term rentals, especially those operating outside the regulatory system. It's all about me and my bank account, screw the rest.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby Jflem1983 » Jul 26th, 2018, 4:07 pm

fluffy wrote:That is largely because of the scare tactics used by governments leaning more to the right, they count on people not knowing that socialism is not really a bad word. Public education, subsidized medical, taxpayer supported infrastructure, these are all examples of socialist theory at work.

At the other end of the scale, pure capitalism, is where I see those who have bought houses for exclusive use as short term rentals, especially those operating outside the regulatory system. It's all about me and my bank account, screw the rest.


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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby OllyV » Jul 26th, 2018, 5:44 pm

fluffy wrote:At the other end of the scale, pure capitalism, is where I see those who have bought houses for exclusive use as short term rentals, especially those operating outside the regulatory system. It's all about me and my bank account, screw the rest.



I am not sure if I would consider that the far end of the capitalism scale but I do get your meaning.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby abraham » Jul 26th, 2018, 8:22 pm

Chewie1969 wrote:
abraham wrote:I’m curious about where your facts are coming from chewie, seems to me these so called facts are just your personal view about Airbnb rentals! “Noise pollution” is just one of your “facts” you state! What’s your definition of “noise pollution” anyway?
Do you think everyone who uses Airbnb is gonna throw a raging party? Or is it them having a few beers in the backyard talking amongst themselves past 11pm? And as far as the impact on the long term rental market, it’s been few and far between to find long term rentals far befor Airbnb has been around! If someone invests in the purchase of a home, who the heck are you or anyone for that matter to say I can’t rent it short term(Airbnb) or keep it vacant for most of the year! I bought the house I’m gonna do dam well what I want with it! There is a lot of bad long term renters out there that left a bad taste in landlords mouths
Because renters seem to have more say then their landlord do!


If you know how to use 'GOOGLE' use it it can be very informative. If you want I can post more links. Canada and other countries are currently having discussions about Airbnb's at all levels of government. The concerns are real. The impact is real.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4339801/rogue-airbnb-hosts-that-break-strata-rules-to-face-fines-of-up-to-1000-per-day/

https://globalnews.ca/news/3017852/will-airbnbs-impact-on-the-short-term-rental-market-be-its-downfall/

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/11/01/Airbnb-a-Problem/

https://*bleep*.ca/newsitem/why-not-everyone-is-so-cozy-with-airbnb-rentals/it29430

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/oct/06/the-airbnb-effect-amsterdam-fairbnb-property-prices-communities

https://www.ryerson.ca/content/dam/tedrogersschool/htm/documents/ResearchInstitute/Airbnb%20Report.pdf

our NIMBY card is showing...

I wonder where you stood on all the recent developments that have attempted to come to Summerland...


Definitely not a NIMBY, I am not part of the notorious 'click" of Stop the Swap-NIMBYS in Summerland. I am pro development close to the core of town and for affordable housing.

What I am against is, building HUGE houses that cost 800,000 and up. The fact that many people are living in homes with more bedrooms than they need is another issue that’s been gaining attention. We have to change how we do things for the betterment of communities.

here is something solutions currently being looked at.
http://homelesshub.ca/blog/vacant-homes-and-affordable-housing

I am not bringing up something new here. These are topics that are current concerns that need solutions. You can't keep sweeping it under a carpet or deny it or wear blinders. We have to start being a little more socially responsible.


I'll repeat this again, IF they can really regulate and limit the amount per municipality and make sure they pay their fair share like everyone else. I would be okay with Airbnb's.

Chewie seems to me you have all the answers or you just believe everything you read off google! Bottom line is I work hard to save enough for a down payment and if I wanna Airbnb my place for while and recoup some money back in my savings who are you or anyone else to tell me differently! Ain’t gonna happen pal! One day when your a big boy and own your own place maybe you will understand

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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby fluffy » Jul 27th, 2018, 7:36 am

abraham wrote: Bottom line is I work hard to save enough for a down payment and if I wanna Airbnb my place for while and recoup some money back in my savings who are you or anyone else to tell me differently!


Currently the law does not prevent you from doing that as long as you are in compliance with all the relevant codes and regulations. Short term rentals in a primary residence do not have an impact on long term rental vacancy rates. What you would be doing though is going into competition with the mainstream accomodations industry whose investment in their business would make your hard fought down payment pale in comparison. I see no reason you shouldn't have to jump through all the hoops they do to insure the health and safety of your guests and the peace and quiet of your neighbours.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby OllyV » Jul 30th, 2018, 3:44 pm

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton/232612/Tenant-decries-eviction

Thank god this unit wasn't converted to an AirBnB.
Then the neighbourhood would have really gone downhill.

I wonder why property owners are cautious about long term rentals?
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby Even Steven » Jul 30th, 2018, 3:50 pm

OllyV wrote:I wonder why property owners are cautious about long term rentals?


Because long-term renters are a pain in the butt when compared to short term. They can stop paying rent and evicting them is hard. They can become totally unbearable but you can't evict them. You can't increase the rent except for small percentage. And you make less money with them as opposed to a good AirBnB.

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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby OllyV » Jul 30th, 2018, 9:59 pm

Even Steven wrote:Because long-term renters are a pain in the butt when compared to short term. They can stop paying rent and evicting them is hard. They can become totally unbearable but you can't evict them. You can't increase the rent except for small percentage. And you make less money with them as opposed to a good AirBnB.


I know. I was being facetious.

I have experience with both systems.
I know first hand which one works better.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby W105 » Jul 31st, 2018, 6:47 am

had a friend from the coast visit this past weekend...they bought a condo right downtown Vancouver 22 yrs ago...the building is strictly owner occupied only...NO rentals of any type..(they do offer a rental condo on each floor for owner's guests to rent when visiting..)

it seems that all the new buyers buying into this building are buying solely for Air BnB's ...the strata fines them and they just pay the fines ignoring the rules...the strata is now going to take legal action as the "owners" who bought and follow the rules are getting sick of those who aren't and won't...they didn't purchase (with their hard earned $$ ) a home that is turning into a hotel..

those who Air BnB aren't the only ones with rights...

they also said that they can certainly see why the empty house tax has been implemented in Vancouver...they have 3 condo buildings that were built around them 5 yrs ago and 90% of each building is empty..(it's very easy to know which ones since they haven't seen any lights on in those empty condos the entire time) they can no longer shop around their area..why ?? because most of the stores, shops, rest etc have closed due to not being able to find any employees and the owner's of those commercial buildings have jacked up the leases immensely...

god I really hope this happens thru our Valley...NOT

as for your link Olly...that man is a slumlord..he could easily fix that house up and rent long term to better Tenants...he's choosing the slumlord way because obviously he doesn't want to drop a dime on the place (and probably never has since he bought it) yet he still wants to receive his rent every mth...
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby alanjh595 » Jul 31st, 2018, 6:55 am

All conjecture ^^^^^^^^ supposition and guesses.

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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby OllyV » Jul 31st, 2018, 1:33 pm

W105 wrote:they also said that they can certainly see why the empty house tax has been implemented in Vancouver...they have 3 condo buildings that were built around them 5 yrs ago and 90% of each building is empty..(it's very easy to know which ones since they haven't seen any lights on in those empty condos the entire time) they can no longer shop around their area..why ?? because most of the stores, shops, rest etc have closed due to not being able to find any employees and the owner's of those commercial buildings have jacked up the leases immensely...

god I really hope this happens thru our Valley...NOT


We live in a tourist destination. Short term renters bring money to our community.
They are here to eat drink and be merry which is what keeps the Okanagan thriving. They spend with an intensity during visits that isn't matched by a long term renter.

W105 wrote:as for your link Olly...that man is a slumlord..he could easily fix that house up and rent long term to better Tenants...he's choosing the slumlord way because obviously he doesn't want to drop a dime on the place (and probably never has since he bought it) yet he still wants to receive his rent every mth...


He is a poor landlord and this is an extreme case. However, it is not isolated. If you have ever owned and operated a long term rental unit you'll know this from experience. If you have not, thanks for your speculative opinion.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby W105 » Jul 31st, 2018, 1:54 pm

hey Olly...google is your friend...google this slumlord...he certainly ain't poor...

Air BnB's have their place nowadays, I totally agree with that...but NOT in areas where it is not allowed..those who buy in certain areas for quiet, safe enjoyment should have their rights respected too...

and "let's keep pumping up the RE market" is slowly killing a generation that's right behind us...

housing is NOT a commodity, not when we have a serious housing crisis going on...our Federal and Provincial Governments know this, hence the actions that have been taken recently..

if you wanna invest in an Air BnB and it's not in your personal residence (that I agree too with.. really doesn't have a huge effect on available rentals) then get a license, do what B&B operators and hotel/motel are required to do and pay tax on the income...simple..
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby alanjh595 » Jul 31st, 2018, 3:17 pm

W105 wrote:hey Olly...google is your friend...google this slumlord...he certainly ain't poor...

Air BnB's have their place nowadays,
What's wrong with the best place on Earth, like the Okanagan, not to be "the place" ? After all, if there was no demand, there would be no profit, and they would better be suited to long term rentals.
I totally agree with that...but NOT in areas where it is not allowed
Where exactly ARE those areas ?
..those who buy in certain areas for quiet, safe enjoyment should have their rights respected too...
Those very same rights can and are violated by long term renters. In fact, the long-term renters are a long-term nuisance. The Air B&B are just there for the week end.

and "let's keep pumping up the RE market" is slowly killing a generation that's right behind us...
So what ? Is the next generation going to do anything for us as we age ?

housing is NOT a commodity, YES, it is.

not when we have a serious housing crisis going on
So it's only a temporary commodity during a crisis ?
...our Federal and Provincial Governments know this, hence the actions that have been taken recently..
The federal and provincial government have taken action because of foreign investment and opportunistic flippers.

if you wanna invest in an Air BnB and it's not in your personal residence (that I agree too with So you have to agree with it even though it has no affect on you personally and must be approved by you ? really doesn't have a huge effect on available rentals) then get a license, do what B&B operators and hotel/motel are required to do and pay tax on the income...simple..
And they are prepared to do exactly that. The demand is there, the opportunity is there, and the money is available. The comparison could be equated to Uber/Rideshare.
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Re: Summerland Airbnb’s insult to injury

Postby W105 » Jul 31st, 2018, 5:00 pm

love the passion in your reply to my comment here Alan...hope you saw some daylight today :)
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