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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jul 27th, 2018, 6:14 am

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Smoke filling into the Okanagan Thursday is being reported by the BC Wildfire Service as being from fires in Greece, Finland and Siberia.


and as we all know, the most dangerous fire is a Greece-fire. Ba boom tish!!
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Cactusflower » Jul 27th, 2018, 7:32 am

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Cactusflower wrote:https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/232396/Smoke-here-to-stay

Oh, for those exhausted fire-fighters' sake, and for those who have been forced to become 'shut-ins' due to poor air quality........send in those converted 737s and put these things out once and for all. I'd much rather the government spent my tax dollars on water bombers than some of the less important stuff they spend my money on.


The 737's are not ready yet, should be in August


Thanks for that info. I should have known when I started this thread that I would be faced with a backlash of negativity. It's the nature of the Castanet forums beast. Nobody needs to be told that the latest rash of forest fires was caused by lightning, but the result is the same as if they were human-caused, a prolonged smoke-filled valley causing our health care system to be bogged down with respiratory illnesses. Why can't our government realize that our tax dollars would be better spent on fire suppression rather than anti-smoking ads?
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Smurf » Jul 27th, 2018, 7:59 am

Cactusflower wrote:

Thanks for that info. I should have known when I started this thread that I would be faced with a backlash of negativity. It's the nature of the Castanet forums beast. Nobody needs to be told that the latest rash of forest fires was caused by lightning, but the result is the same as if they were human-caused, a prolonged smoke-filled valley causing our health care system to be bogged down with respiratory illnesses. Why can't our government realize that our tax dollars would be better spent on fire suppression rather than anti-smoking ads?


Maybe you are faced with backlash because of the type of threads you start and the generally uninformed personal tilt you you put on them. Just suggesting.

I'm sure everyone would love to see the fires stopped immediately, but in the real world that is not possible because of so many factors. Bad terrain, too much smoke to fly, not enough manpower, can't usually fly at night, weather conditions, are only a few.

They probably spend more money on anti-smoking adds because sooo many more people are killed by smoking than forest fire smoke. I know there are large financial losses but they probably value life more than money/property.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby OKkayak » Jul 27th, 2018, 8:49 am

Cactusflower wrote:
Thanks for that info. I should have known when I started this thread that I would be faced with a backlash of negativity.

You received a backlash because A) you presented false facts and B) your refusal to accept factual information C) your continuation of arguing false facts.

There is only 1 available 737 that is nearing completion in the certification process:

http://fireaviation.com/2018/07/14/the- ... ir-tanker/

So, until the 737 is certified, it cannot be used ... period!

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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby LordEd » Jul 27th, 2018, 9:45 am

What negativity? I see a majority of posts indicating sources of smoke along with links.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Smurf » Jul 27th, 2018, 10:38 am

I believe if you disagree with CF you are negative.


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Since it seems a majority of Castanet posters, British Columbians and Canadians usually disagree with CF it means there is a lot of negativity.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Cactusflower » Jul 27th, 2018, 1:08 pm

Smurf wrote:I believe if you disagree with CF you are negative.


EDIT TO ADD:

Since it seems a majority of Castanet posters, British Columbians and Canadians usually disagree with CF it means there is a lot of negativity.


Bingo! I wonder why I experience so much negativity on the Castanet forums, yet none on the other public opinion forums I participate in. Chew on that, Smurf et al.

I suppose just like good little BC Liberal sheep, you'll be complaining if the BC Wildfire Service decides to use that 737 in August.

BTW......https://uwaterloo.ca/tobacco-use-canada ... h-columbia
Compare that to the number of people who are subjected to forest fire smoke each year in B.C.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Urbane » Jul 27th, 2018, 1:15 pm

    Cactusflower wrote:
    Bingo! I wonder why I experience so much negativity on the Castanet forums, yet none on the other public opinion forums I participate in. Chew on that, Smurf et al.

    I suppose just like good little BC Liberal sheep, you'll be complaining if the BC Wildfire Service decides to use that 737 in August.
Why do you have to politicize the firefighting? I remember NDP'ers on here bitterly complaining about Christy Clark not using the Martin Mars bombers and there was even the suggestion made that she was not using them because she wanted to leave the fires burning for Horgan.

Newsflash: Christy Clark wanted to see the fires extinguished as quickly as possible and ditto for John Horgan. Both have have relied on the best expert advice and that advice has been to use the smaller more maneuverable planes. It has nothing to do with saving money and everything to do with what works. Period.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Smurf » Jul 27th, 2018, 1:38 pm

Cactusflower wrote:
Bingo! I wonder why I experience so much negativity on the Castanet forums, yet none on the other public opinion forums I participate in. Chew on that, Smurf et al.


I have no idea why, but my guess would be they are forums that tend to agree with your opinion and don't care much about truth or facts. Maybe you should stick to them, it sounds like you would be much happier.

Must be nice to have all that time to waste. I'm retired and I can't even come close to keeping up with Castanet.

I really don't know why anyone would be against using the 737 in August or whenever it or they are ready. Again due to their size etc they could be useless in some applications but time will tell and the people handling it will know much better than most of us.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Cactusflower » Jul 27th, 2018, 1:40 pm

Urbane, look around you. It's not working very well, is it?
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Urbane » Jul 27th, 2018, 1:48 pm

    Cactusflower wrote:Urbane, look around you. It's not working very well, is it?
Au contraire! The crews are doing a great job. I'm really not sure what you expect but I agree with Smurf. If the 737s are ready in August and if it's determined that they would be useful I can't imagine anyone being opposed to doing so. In the meantime, firefighting efforts seem to be going exceedingly well.
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby Urbane » Jul 27th, 2018, 3:07 pm

    Cactusflower wrote:
    Bingo! I wonder why I experience so much negativity on the Castanet forums, yet none on the other public opinion forums I participate in. Chew on that, Smurf et al.

    I suppose just like good little BC Liberal sheep, you'll be complaining if the BC Wildfire Service decides to use that 737 in August.

    BTW......https://uwaterloo.ca/tobacco-use-canada ... h-columbia
    Compare that to the number of people who are subjected to forest fire smoke each year in B.C.

So here we are in the bickering room with a thread that YOU started and that YOU took off topic. Funny that! Anyway, the crews are doing a great job here and knocking down these fires really well. Sad what's happening in California right now. That situation certainly puts our situation into perspective - for those who want to put it into perspective.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/northern-cali ... d=56859441
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby ifwisheswerehorses » Jul 27th, 2018, 9:24 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
Fancy wrote:
Smoke filling into the Okanagan Thursday is being reported by the BC Wildfire Service as being from fires in Greece, Finland and Siberia.


and as we all know, the most dangerous fire is a Greece-fire. Ba boom tish!!



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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby OKkayak » Jul 28th, 2018, 10:16 am

Needles to say, this year we've been having it pretty good in regards to fires. I'm quite surprised the usual crew hasn't built a bronze alter in worship of their Saviour Horgan, I'm sure its all because of him. :laugh:
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Re: Smoke here to stay

Postby alanjh595 » Jul 28th, 2018, 10:26 am

OKkayak wrote:Needles to say, this year we've been having it pretty good in regards to fires. I'm quite surprised the usual crew hasn't built a bronze alter in worship of their Saviour Horgan, I'm sure its all because of him. :laugh:


Horgan will rain on anyone's parade/forest.
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