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Postby Gone_Fishin » Dec 13th, 2018, 6:52 am

Child miners aged four living a hell on Earth so YOU can drive an electric car: Awful human cost in squalid Congo cobalt mine that Michael Gove didn’t consider in his ‘clean’ energy crusade

Sky News investigated the Katanga mines and found Dorsen, 8, and Monica, 4
The pair were working in the vast mines of the Democratic Republic of Congo
They are two of the 40,000 children working daily in the mines, checking rocks for cobalt

By BARBARA JONES FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY


Picking through a mountain of huge rocks with his tiny bare hands, the exhausted little boy makes a pitiful sight.

His name is Dorsen and he is one of an army of children, some just four years old, working in the vast polluted mines of the Democratic Republic of Congo, where toxic red dust burns their eyes, and they run the risk of skin disease and a deadly lung condition. Here, for a wage of just 8p a day, the children are made to check the rocks for the tell-tale chocolate-brown streaks of cobalt – the prized ingredient essential for the batteries that power electric cars.

And it’s feared that thousands more children could be about to be dragged into this hellish daily existence – after the historic pledge made by Britain to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2040 and switch to electric vehicles.

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It heralds a future of clean energy, free from pollution but – though there can be no doubting the good intentions behind Environment Secretary Michael Gove’s announcement last month – such ideals mean nothing for the children condemned to a life of hellish misery in the race to achieve his target.

Dorsen, just eight, is one of 40,000 children working daily in the mines of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). The terrible price they will pay for our clean air is ruined health and a likely early death.

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When Sky News investigated the Katanga mines it found Dorsen, working near a little girl called Monica, who was four, on a day of relentless rainfall.

Dorsen was hauling heavy sacks of rocks from the mine surface to a growing stack 60ft away. A full sack was lifted on to Dorsen’s head and he staggered across to the stack. A brutish overseer stood over him, shouting and raising his hand to threaten a beating if he spilt any.

With his mother dead, Dorsen lives with his father in the bush and the two have to work daily in the cobalt mine to earn money for food.

Dorsen’s friend Richard, 11, said that at the end of a working day ‘everything hurts’.

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The UN’s International Labour Organisation has described cobalt mining in DRC as ‘one of the worst forms of child labour’ due to the health risks.

Soil samples taken from the mining area by doctors at the University of Lubumbashi, the nearest city, show the region to be among the ten most polluted in the world. Residents near mines in southern DRC had urinary concentrates of cobalt 43 higher than normal. Lead levels were five times higher, cadmium and uranium four times higher.

The worldwide rush to bring millions of electric vehicles on to our roads has handed a big advantage to those giant car-makers which saw this bonanza coming and invested in developing battery-powered vehicles, among them General Motors, Renault-Nissan, Tesla, BMW and Fiat-Chrysler.

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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby jimmy4321 » Dec 13th, 2018, 7:01 am

Why "elitist"??? Just cause it's about electric vehicles? Lol
I'm all for pipelines all directions east west , i don't give a *bleep* so long it hits the ocean, but cut the round about BS

Go buy some parts or clothing and look at the tag, made in Vietnam, China, Bangladesh, India, Cambodia etc and that will have to do while their cost is low but when that changes we'll have to find some poorer countries.

Go check out China Mart, look at the back of the goods. Oh you don't shop there? Go *bleep* anywhere and look at where it's all made, good luck.

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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby JagXKR » Dec 13th, 2018, 9:33 am

Has nothing to do with what country the substance was mined. Has everything to do with the health concerns of mining cobalt by children. I for one will buy all my clothes that are made in Banglepoor or wherever. If we all stopped then what would those people do for a job? I wonder what they would say about losing their job because of some myopic dogma from across the pond?

But it looks like GF may have hit a sore spot, hmm? Not feeling as warm and fuzzy about "saving the planet"? Hard to watch young children losing years on their life by breathing in the dust? All so the elite can drive around smugly thinking they are doing their part. Sure are. Population control. Good job, congratulations.
BTW elite meaning those that can afford the expensive golf carts. Especially if there were no taxpayer subsidies. Just more costs to "working families". NDG slogan.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Pete Podoski » Dec 13th, 2018, 11:39 am

Who's buying a $125,000 Tesla?

Elites. That's who. And little kids are dying so they can do 0-100 in 2.5 seconds while sipping Trudeau's Klimate Kool-aid.

Life's cheap in Africa, so I don't think the Tesla drivers and their political heroes are concerned at all.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 13th, 2018, 11:54 am

Although cobalt is used in electroplating to give objects an attractive surface that resists oxidation, it is more widely used to form alloys. Alnico, an alloy consisting of aluminum, nickel and cobalt is used to make powerful permanent magnets. Stellite alloys, which contain cobalt, chromium and tungsten, are used to make high-speed and high temperature cutting tools and dyes. Cobalt is also used to make alloys for jet engines and gas turbines, magnetic steels and some types of stainless steels.

Cobalt-60, a radioactive isotope of cobalt, is an important source of gamma rays and is used to treat some forms of cancer and as a medical tracer. Cobalt-60 has a half-life of 5.27 years and decays into nickel-60 through beta decay.

Cobalt compounds have been used for centuries to color porcelain, glass, pottery, tile and enamel. Some of these compounds are known as: cobalt blue, ceruleum, new blue, smalt, cobalt yellow and cobalt green. In addition to being used as a dye, cobalt is also important to human nutrition as it is an essential part of vitamin B12.



Nice try Barbara Jones, your bias is showing. You succeeded in manipulating the idiots though. Cobalt mining is nothing new. It didn’t start with electric cars, it is used by everyone here daily whether they realize it or not, and it is certainly not simply a product for elitists.

Literally nobody on here cared one iota about cobalt mining children in the DRC until they could try twisting facts to make it into something political against “the left”. The rest can see through your sad desperation and political opportunism at the expense of others.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Queen K » Dec 13th, 2018, 11:56 am

We here in North America are the epicenter of Suzanne Collins the "Hunger Games Trilogy."

If we don't believe that North America is the "Capitol" then we are the most naive culture on Earth.

Have any of you three posters above read the series? It's might shocking how accurate those two statements are.

GF, Pete, did you two ever see my posts about the clothing factory riots in Bangledash and Vietnam? I'll bring those up.

In the freaking meantime, the most creepy Christmas song is not Baby, It's Cold Outside, it's "Do they Know it's Christmas Time" aimed at Africans. The Congo mines are but one horrific reason for that, how about Blood diamonds? And emptying out the jungles for the bush meat demand in Europe? And killing any animal with ivory attached to it? Due to demand that is. Vast areas land in Africa, under corporate control so that locals can't even grow enough food for selling? But they see a lot of food exported. And the selling of migration seats by people smugglers, selling dreams of a better life IF they can get to Europe, often at the cost of hundreds of dollars. Africa is rift with problems, is it not? So people can have diamonds, exotic food, electric car batteries, ivory, and I didn't even mention the mass export of live animal smuggling for the exotic animal trade.

So you want to signal out those elites who can afford electric teslas?

Congo needs labour laws, like England and North America got, eventually, at the turn of the century. Africa needs their own Fabian societies to evolve, like they did in England. Social reform was emphasized, especially keeping children in school, not revolution. And before you all freak, consider that all of you are a product of a society in Canada that is part free enterprise and socialism. You do not know any other way unless you've lived elsewhere or opened your eyes when you've travelled.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 13th, 2018, 12:02 pm

Pete Podoski wrote:Who's buying a $125,000 Tesla?

Elites. That's who. And little kids are dying so they can do 0-100 in 2.5 seconds while sipping Trudeau's Klimate Kool-aid.

Life's cheap in Africa, so I don't think the Tesla drivers and their political heroes are concerned at all.



Well Trudeau did invest 18 million in the DRC so that children like this in the story could go to school rather than work in cobalt mines...

Of course GF already knows that:
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The reality is that countries like Canada take a lot more out of Africa than we ever put in. We exploit the land, the resources, the people. And it’s not just about electric vehicles, it is about every day necessities that everyone uses without even thinking about where they came from. It isn’t sustainable though, and this is why it’s inportant to start investing back in so that these nations can catch up to the standards employed elsewhere in the world. First world mining operations instead of third world ones based on child labour. This requires education though. It requires lifting the population out of poverty so that they can work on developing their own nation, for the benefit of the world as a whole.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby JagXKR » Dec 13th, 2018, 4:52 pm

Omnitheo wrote:

Nice try Barbara Jones, your bias is showing. You succeeded in manipulating the idiots though. Cobalt mining is nothing new. It didn’t start with electric cars, it is used by everyone here daily whether they realize it or not, and it is certainly not simply a product for elitists.


Nice deflection to try and sway the ignorant to your biased agenda, whatever that is.
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Cobalt has been used in production of high-performance alloys.[50][51] It can also be used to make rechargeable batteries, and the advent of electric vehicles and their success with consumers probably has a great deal to do with the DRC's soaring production.


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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Mark5 » Dec 14th, 2018, 7:10 am

Omnitheo wrote:
Pete Podoski wrote:Who's buying a $125,000 Tesla?

Elites. That's who. And little kids are dying so they can do 0-100 in 2.5 seconds while sipping Trudeau's Klimate Kool-aid.

Life's cheap in Africa, so I don't think the Tesla drivers and their political heroes are concerned at all.



Well Trudeau did invest 18 million in the DRC so that children like this in the story could go to school rather than work in cobalt mines...

Of course GF already knows that:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=78657&hilit=Tax+dollars

The reality is that countries like Canada take a lot more out of Africa than we ever put in. We exploit the land, the resources, the people. And it’s not just about electric vehicles, it is about every day necessities that everyone uses without even thinking about where they came from. It isn’t sustainable though, and this is why it’s inportant to start investing back in so that these nations can catch up to the standards employed elsewhere in the world. First world mining operations instead of third world ones based on child labour. This requires education though. It requires lifting the population out of poverty so that they can work on developing their own nation, for the benefit of the world as a whole.

Exactly right. This is why the UN has come up with the man made climate change hoax.they know the developed countries will never get off that wonderous source of energy and products called oil. And the consequences of its extraction . Why would they? Undeveloped nations burn cattle dung to cook and stay warm while we bathe in the luxury that oil has given us. Many people feel terrible guilt about what is happening. Images and stories like the one in this thread emerge. Wealthy Hollywood stars especially feel guilty because they have so much..
So how can we get developed countries to wean themselves off of oil? What can be done?After much thought and with great motivation , the UN along elitests ike Al Gore and David Suzuki and Trudeau hatch a plan.Lets us all pretend that the use and abuse of oil is destroying the planet.Tell everyone using the media and government that unless we stop using oil we are all doomed. Lay it on thick so we terrify everyone into submission. That the only choice we now have is to create new renewable sources of energy using wind and sunlight. Free energy that everyone on earth can have.Call anyone who goes against this plan heretics and fools. Destroy politicians like President Trump who don't go along. Throw caution to the wind and try to make this energy at any cost. The ends justified the means. And if and when it fails,because really there is nothing like oil,they can all say they tried and this will ease there conscience. They justify their dishonesty and lies because they feel it is the right thing to do. But is it really?All this political turmoil and divisivness and hatred as people start realizing they are being had. That renewable energy is a pipe dream with little chance of success. Billions wasted and certain people becoming wealthy on it. The real solution just might be to start using less fossil fuels and tone down our extravagant life styles.we have enough oil for thousands of years if we use itvwisely and carefully. Oil that could be shared with everyone.oil took millions of years to make. We just need to use less.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Jlabute » Dec 14th, 2018, 8:16 am

97% of the worlds supply of cobalt comes from Africa. Once electric car battery manufacturing takes off, then 70% of the supply goes in to batteries. No one wants cobalt in their lithium batteries anyways, we want to get away from it. So hopefully the race for huge cobalt supplies will be short lived. Saying that, cobalt prices have dropped by 1/3rd recently due to new supplies from the Congo, therefore more kids. Electric cars aren’t yet ready for mainstream. When a battery breakthrough comes, batteries will become cheaper with a higher energy density, less dangerous, lighter, etc, then it’s ready. Right now we have blood cobalt, rather than blood diamonds... and the world seemed upset with blood diamonds.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 14th, 2018, 8:47 am

Omnitheo wrote: You succeeded in manipulating the idiots though. .


The only idiots being manipulated are the leftist idiots continuing to support tax credits for global elitists milking the deaths of children so that they can blast around in their dirty electric cars. It's just such a disgusting situation, shame on everyone who drives an EV. You truly are monsters.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 14th, 2018, 10:11 am

Pete Podoski wrote:Who's buying a $125,000 Tesla?

Elites. That's who. And little kids are dying so they can do 0-100 in 2.5 seconds while sipping Trudeau's Klimate Kool-aid.

Life's cheap in Africa, so I don't think the Tesla drivers and their political heroes are concerned at all.


Truly disgusting people taking advantage of children. Just so shameful and disgusting. If you own a Tesla, hang your head in shame.
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby Ranger66 » Dec 14th, 2018, 11:07 am

“The only idiots being manipulated are the leftist idiots continuing to support tax credits for global elitists milking the deaths of children so that they can blast around in their dirty electric cars”

While I will agree that electric cars are “dirty’ you really need to support that only leftist benefit from tax credits around the death of children. I would suggest it is an equal opportunity that is taken advantage of by ethically challenged people of all political paradigms
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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby DiddelySquat » Dec 20th, 2018, 9:52 am

:heart: Tesla.
Children are like trees, both are a renewable resource.

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Re: Just so elitist Canadians can drive electric cars...

Postby 2manyfords » Dec 20th, 2018, 11:01 am

DiddelySquat wrote::heart: Tesla.
Children are like trees, both are a renewable resource.



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