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The Alberta oil industry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 13th, 2018, 9:22 pm

https://thenarwhal.ca/many-of-albertas- ... sentation/
So much for reclamation. Here's what one Albertan thinks of this ludicrous practice:
"The Alberta Energy Regulator is captive to the Oil Mafia, as is the Minister of Energy and most of the cabinet. We are leaving a huge financial and ecological burden to our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren. Oil people want jobs?? Clean up your friggin' mess........ya pigs!"
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby erinmore3775 » Dec 13th, 2018, 10:19 pm

CF, unfortunately yelling and screaming and making unfounded charges does little for your cause. Currently, the case has been pushed before the SCOC by the Alberta government.

https://theleap.org/portfolio-items/redwater-oped/

https://www.pembina.org/blog/catch-22-redwater-case

Perhaps the best idea is to wait for the SCOC to rule on this case. It will have wide ranging implications on bankruptcy law in Canada. Not only could/will it affect the petroleum industry in Canada but creditors like the Sears pensioners.
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 13th, 2018, 10:32 pm

erinmore3775 wrote:CF, unfortunately yelling and screaming and making unfounded charges does little for your cause. Currently, the case has been pushed before the SCOC by the Alberta government.

https://theleap.org/portfolio-items/redwater-oped/

https://www.pembina.org/blog/catch-22-redwater-case

Perhaps the best idea is to wait for the SCOC to rule on this case. It will have wide ranging implications on bankruptcy law in Canada. Not only could/will it affect the petroleum industry in Canada but creditors like the Sears pensioners.


I wasn't yelling; I was quoting from the article I posted. I just thought there might be readers on this thread that weren't aware of what's happening over there.
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Snman » Dec 13th, 2018, 10:51 pm

Cactusflower wrote:https://thenarwhal.ca/many-of-albertas-reclaimed-wells-arent-actually-reclaimed-government-presentation/
So much for reclamation. Here's what one Albertan thinks of this ludicrous practice:
"The Alberta Energy Regulator is captive to the Oil Mafia, as is the Minister of Energy and most of the cabinet. We are leaving a huge financial and ecological burden to our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren. Oil people want jobs?? Clean up your friggin' mess........ya pigs!"


One Albertan? Well that settles it then, doesn't it?
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Smurf » Dec 14th, 2018, 6:36 am

Cactusflower wrote:

https://thenarwhal.ca/many-of-albertas- ... sentation/
So much for reclamation. Here's what one Albertan thinks of this ludicrous practice:
"The Alberta Energy Regulator is captive to the Oil Mafia, as is the Minister of Energy and most of the cabinet. We are leaving a huge financial and ecological burden to our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren. Oil people want jobs?? Clean up your friggin' mess........ya pigs!"


If you are actually worried about our BC waters why don't send that message to Vancouver and Victoria about the dumping of raw sewage into our waters. We should be looking after our own problems before we worry about Alberta's.
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Mordu » Dec 14th, 2018, 9:29 am

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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 14th, 2018, 10:14 am

Whistler has joined several other B.C. municipalities in calling on the oil and gas industry to pay for budget costs covering events related to climate change, and the reaction has not been kind.

In a letter dated Nov. 15 and addressed to Calgary-based Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. (CNRL), Mayor Jack Crompton asked the company to cover the costs being paid by taxpayers to deal with flooding, drought and extreme weather, which Crompton argues are being caused directly by CNRL's operations.

“As a town with a population of less than 15,000 people, this is a significant cost to bear along with costs associated with impacts to winter and summer sports tourism,” the letter reads.


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/w ... spartanntp

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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Mordu » Dec 14th, 2018, 10:59 am

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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 14th, 2018, 12:17 pm

Mordu wrote:LOL Crompton backs off with his tail between his legs.


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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 14th, 2018, 2:19 pm

Mordu wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:https://thenarwhal.ca/many-of-albertas-reclaimed-wells-arent-actually-reclaimed-government-presentation/
So much for reclamation. Here's what one Albertan thinks of this ludicrous practice:
"The Alberta Energy Regulator is captive to the Oil Mafia, as is the Minister of Energy and most of the cabinet. We are leaving a huge financial and ecological burden to our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren. Oil people want jobs?? Clean up your friggin' mess........ya pigs!"


Catusflower, I guess you forgot about the proposal I posted about a week ago that would see them there 'oil people pigs' fill jobs to turn abandoned Alberta wells into geothermal energy producers. (The people that you also disparaged and then apologised for it and "wished them well in their clean energy endeavours")

And the Narwhal seems to be suffering from some form of memory loss too.

Why a Small Alberta Oil and Gas Town is Pursuing Geothermal Power

http://thenarwhal.ca/why-small-alberta- ... mal-power/

"A big part of why Nelson thinks the oil-friendly residents should welcome geothermal to town? It all runs on the same infrastructure and knowledge as the oil and gas industry, making it an excellent way to make use of existing oilfields and some of the workers who have been hit by low oil prices.

“If it ever really takes off on a large scale in Canada, it will be because of oil and gas,” he says.”


To go with this, I could post a slough of easy access research papers and videos on how this type of project would work, as well as the current pleas for government support as in ways for fast-tracking the approval process along with providing support for investment like back in the days of the GCOS, but I suppose that would be a waste of my time with you again. :swear:


One small Alberta oil and gas town's good intentions aren't going to make any significant changes to what the entire industry is doing, or more importantly, NOT doing back there. Do you have some more proof that many other towns are following Drayton Valley's lead?
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Mordu » Dec 14th, 2018, 2:37 pm

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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 14th, 2018, 2:53 pm

Mordu wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:One small Alberta oil and gas town's good intentions aren't going to make any significant changes to what the entire industry is doing, or more importantly, NOT doing back there. Do you have some more proof that many other towns are following Drayton Valley's lead?


Cactusflower wrote: I just thought there might be readers on this thread that weren't aware of what's happening over there.


Seems there's only one reader on this thread who 'isn't aware' . . . .. And I honestly think it's because they don't read at all.

Even what I've posted for you on this thread and the rest of this forum.

Do I have any more proof? :200: :laugh:

I told you I'm an Alberta environmentalist in the sense of one who's worked straight down the middle in 'The Patch.' You remember I recommended that you read 'The Patch' . . . ?

And you just added another insult to your list.


I'm not aware of any insults. I did get the audio version of that book, but I must have missed the part that told of all the reclamation that's been going on there. Guess I'll have to borrow the print version when I get back home.

I actually read quite a bit, but mostly stuff I get online, such as the links I post here. Any other books you think I need to read when I return to the English-speaking world?
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby erinmore3775 » Dec 14th, 2018, 2:56 pm

Unfortunately, some contributors have very short and very selective memories. Geothermal was posted as the perfect alternative to Site C just a very few short months ago. Celebrate what Drayton is doing.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3326729/using-abandoned-oil-wells-for-geothermal-on-edmonton-mps-federal-budget-2017-wish-list/

This idea has been proposed before. However, it has not got the same traction as solar/wind developments many because of lobbying against it by the solar/wind developers. It seems as if one "green" proponent cannot support another.

https://thenarwhal.ca/why-small-alberta-oil-and-gas-town-pursuing-geothermal-power/

While not every abandoned well is suitable for geothermal development there are other possibilities.

https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/2017/10/how-geothermal-could-transform-albertas-abandoned-oil-and-gas-wells-power-generation/

It is all too easy to bash an industry you do not like. It is much harder to offer rational and doable alternatives or constructive criticism. Over the next 20 years, as we transition into a country that is less dependent on petroleum, we are going to need the revenue from petroleum to accomplish that. I would hope that contributors would offer ways to transport, refine, and use our petroleum, within our country, in more environmentally friendly ways than simple demand that we refuse to use petroleum and leave it in the ground.
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Re: The Alberta oil industry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 14th, 2018, 3:07 pm

erinmore3775 wrote:Unfortunately, some contributors have very short and very selective memories. Geothermal was posted as the perfect alternative to Site C just a very few short months ago. Celebrate what Drayton is doing.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3326729/using-abandoned-oil-wells-for-geothermal-on-edmonton-mps-federal-budget-2017-wish-list/

This idea has been proposed before. However, it has not got the same traction as solar/wind developments many because of lobbying against it by the solar/wind developers. It seems as if one "green" proponent cannot support another.

https://thenarwhal.ca/why-small-alberta-oil-and-gas-town-pursuing-geothermal-power/

While not every abandoned well is suitable for geothermal development there are other possibilities.

https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/2017/10/how-geothermal-could-transform-albertas-abandoned-oil-and-gas-wells-power-generation/

It is all too easy to bash an industry you do not like. It is much harder to offer rational and doable alternatives or constructive criticism. Over the next 20 years, as we transition into a country that is less dependent on petroleum, we are going to need the revenue from petroleum to accomplish that. I would hope that contributors would offer ways to transport, refine, and use our petroleum, within our country, in more environmentally friendly ways than simple demand that we refuse to use petroleum and leave it in the ground.


Perhaps it is you that has a short memory. I recall posting a few links of my own a couple of years ago about the geothermal projects near Valemount and Terrace. I also applauded the town of Hinton for considering such a plan.

However, for as many stories there are about these projects, there have never been (to my knowledge, and I'm sure you'll start bashing me for that) any follow-up stories telling us how successful they are.
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