10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

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my5cents wrote:...and a person administering a medicine or a vaccine would need to know this because ?

What has that got to do with anything ?


Let's say the lady applying the vaccine into people is kind of dumb, and doesn't understand that vaccines need to be refrigerated. The guy delivering the vaccines tells her the fridge broke down and all the vaccines got warmed up.
But she's ignorant and doesn't want to waste anything, so she injects it into some people - to use it all up. Then those people
get brain damage - causing the vaccine company to pay out $millions in damages.

It's always important to know something about whatever it is you are working with. Knowledge is ...... worth a lot.


http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/storage-handling.asp
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I didnt say that flu shots are dangerous, I simply posed a question about the legal responsibility employers may be assuming when they offer employees the choice of wearing elastic bands behind each ear and a mask for 12 hours, and having you injected with something you may not agree with. The reason I asked this is that I'm not a legal expert and genuinely wanted to know. While it is ultimately the employee's choice, is the level of coercion leveled against these employees, putting our health care system in potential financial jeopardy if they are by chance found to have negative health effects for some?
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Thinktank wrote:Let's say the lady applying the vaccine into people is kind of dumb, and doesn't understand that vaccines need to be refrigerated. The guy delivering the vaccines tells her the fridge broke down and all the vaccines got warmed up.
But she's ignorant and doesn't want to waste anything, so she injects it into some people - to use it all up. Then those people
get brain damage - causing the vaccine company to pay out $millions in damages.

It's always important to know something about whatever it is you are working with. Knowledge is ...... worth a lot.

http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/storage-handling.asp

Oh goodie, my favorite game the "oh, ya, what if......." game.

The guy delivering your new refrigerator is taught, that he must level the unit, plug it in, check the door alignment, remove packing material etc., he doesn't have to know how it was built, what make it cold etc.

The same thing, with the person giving the shot, they are delivering the vaccine. They do need to know the parameters of storage and the protocal for administering. They don't need to know how to make the vaccine.

If that's the basis of your argument, better fold your tent and go get your flu shot.
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Poindexter wrote:I didnt say that flu shots are dangerous, I simply posed a question about the legal responsibility employers may be assuming when they offer employees the choice of wearing elastic bands behind each ear and a mask for 12 hours, and having you injected with something you may not agree with. The reason I asked this is that I'm not a legal expert and genuinely wanted to know. While it is ultimately the employee's choice, is the level of coercion leveled against these employees, putting our health care system in potential financial jeopardy if they are by chance found to have negative health effects for some?

Don't you think a company would have the obvious defence that the medical profession all over the modern world supports vaccination, plus they've given the employee the opportunity to wear a mask.

A suit would be tossed before it went anywhere.

Hell, a woman was jailed in the US for refusing to vaccinate her kid. (No I don't know the details)
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Thinktank wrote:One of the most pathetic things I ever saw was in a Chiliwack mall on "FLU SHOT DAY.' The people getting
the free shot all looked weak, and the women giving the free flu shots all looked kind of dumb. But I say
"knock yourself out" to any older person who wants to be "protected." Except do you protect yourself early
and get the flu shot in November, or do you take a chance and try protect yourself for later on in the year
and get your free flu shot in January????????????????? No one on earth knows the answer to that huge question.

But now they're saying kids should get flu shots. Little kids. And that's the thing that bothers me. No one really cares
how the shot affects old people long term, but for kids - they have their whole life ahead of them.

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trust the flu shot manufacturer. They know what's happening with flu varieties this year.


as you can see by this lineup, if one person has the flu in that lineup great chance that they will spread the virus to everyone else there--so many sheep --


http://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/a ... -time.aspx
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Thinktank wrote:Let's say the lady applying the vaccine into people is kind of dumb, and doesn't understand that vaccines need to be refrigerated. The guy delivering the vaccines tells her the fridge broke down and all the vaccines got warmed up.
But she's ignorant and doesn't want to waste anything, so she injects it into some people - to use it all up. Then those people
get brain damage - causing the vaccine company to pay out $millions in damages.

It's always important to know something about whatever it is you are working with. Knowledge is ...... worth a lot.


http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/storage-handling.asp

Just wondering... where did you read that a vaccine not stored at the proper temperature causes brain damage? All I can find is that the dose would be ineffective.

Knowledge is...... worth a lot.

Also... I will again be getting a flu shot like I always do. The science checks out.
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i have never gotten the flu shot, i think the last time i got the flu i was a kid, but lots of people i know who get the flu shot always seem to get sick and still get the flu anyway
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Jonrox wrote:
Thinktank wrote:Let's say the lady applying the vaccine into people is kind of dumb, and doesn't understand that vaccines need to be refrigerated. The guy delivering the vaccines tells her the fridge broke down and all the vaccines got warmed up.
But she's ignorant and doesn't want to waste anything, so she injects it into some people - to use it all up. Then those people
get brain damage - causing the vaccine company to pay out $millions in damages.

It's always important to know something about whatever it is you are working with. Knowledge is ...... worth a lot.


http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/storage-handling.asp

Just wondering... where did you read that a vaccine not stored at the proper temperature causes brain damage? All I can find is that the dose would be ineffective.

Knowledge is...... worth a lot.

Also... I will again be getting a flu shot like I always do. The science checks out.


the danger is very real http://www.immunize.org/guide/aov04_storage.pdf
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Okay, I skimmed through that document and must have missed where it said a break in the cold chain of a vaccine causes brain damage if administered. If you could just quote the line and post it for me, that would be great. For some reason, I keep missing that part and have skimmed it twice.

Similar to the link thinktank posted, all I can find in this document is that the vaccine loses it's potency if the cold chain is broken. It must say somewhere in one of those documents that brain damage could result though since you two are so confident in it.

I'm not being facetious. It's a pretty dry read so I was just skimming them. If you could even just tell me what page that information was on, I'll read that page more closely.
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hope these sad stories help http://vaccine-injury.info/
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I'll read those after you get me sorted around on the claim that brain damage can result from the cold chain being broken. I asked the question and you were gracious enough to respond, but I can't find where in the document you posted that it says this.
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only 5 min long worth the watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFbr8RWJV0Q
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the truth wrote:hope these sad stories help http://vaccine-injury.info/

Sad stories for sure. But all that website is trying to do is breed conspiracy theories about vaccines. There's a glaring lack of science behind anything it's saying.

On the other side of the equation are the millions and millions of people who are alive today because they're not dying from diseases that vaccines prevent. That's not even science... it's just a matter of counting.
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the truth wrote:only 5 min long worth the watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFbr8RWJV0Q

I'll watch it later - I can't watch it where I am right now. But if you could just go back to the link you posted and show me where it says brain damage can be caused specifically by a break in the cold chain of a vaccine. Thanks in advance.
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i never posted that link,someone else did
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