10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 15th, 2018, 11:51 am

Thinktank wrote: Not best for everyone...

Funny - I read the doctor said "best protection" - he didn't say the shot was best for everyone. But here's a fact for you that you failed to consider and totally ignored:

Conclusion
Repeated vaccination for influenza was highly effective in preventing severe and fatal infection caused by influenza in older adults. This high effectiveness may be explained by the combination of prevented admissions to hospital for influenza and reduced disease severity in patients admitted to hospital for influenza


http://www.cmaj.ca/content/190/1/E3
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 15th, 2018, 9:10 pm

Thinktank wrote:His eduction tells him a $2.00 thing is "best" for all seven billion of us people?

It's "education" and secondly you took my quote out of context then lied about what he said. I'll go through the rest of your post later.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 15th, 2018, 9:12 pm

Thinktank wrote:His eduction tells him a $2.00 thing is "best" for all seven billion of us people? How about for a billionaire
who can stay on his yacht for two months in the winter? Billionaire doesn't need a "herd immunity" because he's not
a herd.

And the amazing thing about these doctors who are like "God" and know what's best for everyone - more than 50% of them do NOT get flu shots themselves. [icon_lol2.gif]

Anyway, we have a provincial health officer who is like God, that decides what is "best" for us sheeple,
and the number one thing that helps him decide what's best for us is - saving money...
they don't really care about long term health of the sheeple.
To save money, the provincial health officer decided a $2.00 flu shot is best for all of us. The guy, whoever he is, gets his info from the drug companies. Not from Isaac Bogoch, or any other doctor.

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https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/heal ... th-officer


Not sure why you're bringing God into it other than another knee jerk reaction.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Jan 15th, 2018, 9:38 pm

Fancy wrote:
Thinktank wrote:His eduction tells him a $2.00 thing is "best" for all seven billion of us people?

It's "education" and secondly you took my quote out of context then lied about what he said. I'll go through the rest of your post later.


took your quote out of context, far from it
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 15th, 2018, 11:55 pm

Interesting you can't speak to replies to your own posts.
Slandering someone because you disagree with them (and who has the credentials to back up his opinion) isn't very nice.
That was the first part - but why refer to him he is like God is a mystery.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Thinktank » Jan 16th, 2018, 6:07 am

Fancy wrote:"Even though it's not perfect, it's still the best protection we have," said Dr. Isaac Bogoch,

Thinktank wrote:What a liar Isaac Bogoch is.

Fancy wrote:Slandering someone ...


But Isaac Bogoch lied. The best way for first nations people to prevent the flu is to get rid of poverty. NOT
FREE FLU SHOTS for first nations
( a $2.00 thing)
If China can take a billion people out of poverty in thirty years, surely resource rich Canada can take the first nations people out of poverty. Richest country on earth offers first nations people free flu shots - a $2.00 thing. [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 16th, 2018, 7:37 am

The world-first trial is currently testing the vaccine's efficacy in 862 people aged 65 and older, and the researchers are estimating to complete this effort by October 2019.

During the trial, all participants will be getting the regular flu vaccine in addition to either the new universal one or a placebo shot. The researchers hypothesise that their new vaccine should increase the volunteers' protection against the flu better than if they only received the annual jab.


https://www.sciencealert.com/universal- ... cal-trials

It would be awesome to prevent hospitalizations.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 16th, 2018, 9:32 am

Thinktank wrote:But Isaac Bogoch lied. The best way for first nations people to prevent the flu is to get rid of poverty.

Where did he mention first nations people? He didn't mention it and it wasn't in the article - so you're making it up again never mind not even mentioning anything regarding the flu in the fact sheet (irrelevant to this discussion).

Doctors also say research suggests that even if the vaccine doesn't prevent someone from getting the flu, it could help lessen the symptoms.
"Even though it's not perfect, it's still the best protection we have," said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease specialist at University Health Network in Toronto.


Here's the article you missed reading:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-risin ... -1.4485634
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 16th, 2018, 9:50 am

The flu-related death of a 21-year-old aspiring personal trainer in Pennsylvania sparked conversation about the seriousness of the virus.

Kyler Baughman, who had no known health problems, died just after Christmas. His mother told WPXI News that his organs failed due to septic shock caused by the flu.

That is a tragedy.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3961969/flu- ... da-deaths/
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Jonrox » Jan 16th, 2018, 2:04 pm

The problem with these threads is that some people would prefer to see thousands of dead babies lining the streets, just to save the lives of a few who could have an adverse reaction to a vaccination.

They don't understand math and science, so are impossible to reason with. They don't seem to understand that living babies are preferable to dead babies.

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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Jan 16th, 2018, 2:27 pm

you might not care if these shot kill kids, some of us do,
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 16th, 2018, 2:31 pm

the truth wrote:you might not care if these shot kill kids, some of us do,

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few but haven't read of any baby dying of the flu shot in the Okanagan.

A note about the live attenuated influenza vaccine:
Parents may have heard different reports about the live attenuated influenza vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine). Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization has reviewed the most recent research on the effectiveness of this vaccine and continues to recommend this vaccine as a safe and effective option for children 2 – 17 years of age. Unlike in previous years, it is no longer preferentially recommended over the inactivated influenza vaccine for children in this age group.


http://www.immunizebc.ca/influenza
Here's something from the States:
June 23, 2017— A total of 101 flu-associated deaths in children occurring during the 2016-17 season have now been reported to CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/news/reported-f ... ildren.htm
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby the truth » Jan 16th, 2018, 2:54 pm

big pharma would never lie and pay people off too lie http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pharmaceu ... -1.4169888
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Fancy » Jan 16th, 2018, 3:01 pm

Posting the same link over and over doesn't serve you any purpose (x4 now). There is nothing in it that suggests babies are dying of the flu shot but there have been babies that have died of the flu this year.
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Re: 10 Reasons Flu Shots More Dangerous Than Flu

Postby Jonrox » Jan 16th, 2018, 3:32 pm

the truth wrote:you might not care if these shot kill kids, some of us do,

And that you'd apparently rather see thousands of dead un-vaccinated kids to avoid the chance that a few might die is terrible.
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