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Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Fancy » Feb 16th, 2017, 12:53 pm

I've only known a couple that have actually had the flu - most have colds or gastrointestinal illnesses in which case the flu shot wouldn't help anyway.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Thinktank » Feb 26th, 2017, 7:31 am

Hey look at this - it's right on topic.

All the hockey players that got Mumps got the vaccination. Flu shot herd immunity is a scam, but on
the same topic - most vaccines are a scam.

She explained the full two doses provide about 88 per cent protection against the virus.
^ if that isn't a scam I don't know what is. you get two full dose vaccines and still get the disease.
And then to see how they explain it. When you get the vaccine they say you're protected for life. Then after you get the disease they say it was only 88%. Wow. [icon_lol2.gif]

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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Bsuds » Feb 26th, 2017, 8:40 am

Thinktank wrote:
She explained the full two doses provide about 88 per cent protection against the virus.
^ if that isn't a scam I don't know what is. you get two full dose vaccines and still get the disease.
And then to see how they explain it. When you get the vaccine they say you're protected for life. Then after you get the disease they say it was only 88%.


Why is it a scam if you are told it is not 100% effective? If you were told it was 100% then that would be a scam/lie.
They also say that if you were vaccinated and do happen to still get it then it should/will be not as bad than if you didn't.

So what's worse either don't get sick at all or get sick but not suffer as badly or in your case no vaccination and get the full effect of the illness?

I think intelligent people would pick getting a mild case or not getting sick at all.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Thinktank » Feb 26th, 2017, 8:49 am

Bsuds wrote:They also say that if you were vaccinated and do happen to still get it then it should/will be not as bad than if you didn't.


See - that's another scam.


Because once you get vaccinated it's impossible to actually find out how sick you "would have" been
if you were not vaccinated, because it's impossible to un-vaccinate yourself to find out. So how would they know - unless they are God - how bad it would have been?
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby the truth » Feb 26th, 2017, 8:58 am

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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Fancy » Feb 26th, 2017, 9:37 am

You've already created a thread for MMR
viewtopic.php?f=95&t=71325&p=2145138#p2145138
Thinktank wrote:Hey look at this - it's right on topic.

Not when there's a thread on it already.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Fancy » Feb 26th, 2017, 9:48 am

Back to topic:
Some people in the community rely on herd immunity to protect them. These groups are particularly vulnerable to disease, but often cannot safely receive vaccines:
People without a fully-working immune system, including those without a working spleen
People on chemotherapy treatment whose immune system is weakened
People with HIV
Newborn babies who are too young to be vaccinated
Elderly people
Many of those who are very ill in hospital

http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/herd-immunity
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Jonrox » Feb 26th, 2017, 12:42 pm

ThinkTank and the truth, just one question... if the world did follow your advice on vaccinations, what's your preference for the resulting millions of dead babies, burial or cremation?

You're the ones pushing for their deaths, so I assume you have a plan.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Merry » Feb 26th, 2017, 1:08 pm


When my children were vaccinated (in the late 70's, early 80's) the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccines in BC were all separate. And when we left BC to move to Ontario, my daughter had received all 3, but my son was missing the Rubella one. By law in Ontario they could prevent you from attending school if you hadn't had all 3, so the Public Health people wanted me to arrange for my son to have the MMR. I had a problem with this, because I was concerned about potential problems with "over vaccinating" my son, so I asked if he could have just the Rubella.

At first I was told that wasn't possible, because the single vaccine wasn't available in Ontario. But when I went to see my family doctor and asked him, he said that was nonsense because they could order some from out of province. Which he did. I think it took 6 weeks, and my doctor had to administer it (as opposed to the Public Health nurse) but the problem was solved.

The point I'm trying to make is that if the Public Health folks stopped trying to ram their point of view down everyone's throats, and simply found ways to accommodate peoples concerns, a lot of the vaccination controversy would disappear.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Thinktank » Feb 26th, 2017, 1:40 pm

#1 - there is no such thing as herd immunity. The hockey players all had their shots - still got the disease.

it looks like the "best" way to avoid getting any type of disease is to stay away from people as much as possible.
if you need to be around people all the time, like the hockey players, get your vaccines of all types. It might not help. Vaccines are not always helpful.

But "herd immunity" is a complete total scam.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby What_the » Feb 26th, 2017, 3:45 pm

Thinktank wrote:
Do you even know what blatantly means?

As of Dec. 31, almost 900 Canadians had been hospitalized due to influenza and 20 had died, according to PHAC, quoting figures reported by the provinces and territories. Those aged 65 and older accounted for two-thirds of hospitalizations and 80 per cent of the deaths, the vast majority related to H3N2 infections.

So four people younger than 65 died in Canada from the flu, and "flu herd immunity" tards
want 30 million Canadians to jab themselves with a dirt cheap $2.00 caveman technology - to protect the herd? Jonrox wants to save four lives by vaccinating 30 million?

Come on people. Learn math. Go online and teach yourself arithmetic. If our government wanted to save lives long term,
we'd give $200 "nutrition subsidy" per child per month to every poor family in Canada, and that investment would save $millions long term in health care costs and save thousands of lives. But that won't ever happen. Jonrox wants to immunize the herd.


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Thumbing through this thread for entertainment and noticed the comment about doing math and had laugh and comment.

In your quest to prove your point you've inadvertently proved the other side.

Sure, four died as of Dec,31.... as in up until and now it's just about March. What's glaring to me is two fold - the callous disregard for old folks who clearly are very much at risk and that there were 900 hospitalizations. Hospitalization means one is at risk of death without immediate medical intervention. I wonder how many wouldn't have needed hospitalization with the vaccine. 50% efficacy. So the math
Would so rather be over educated that a knuckle dragging Neanderthal bereft of critical thought and imagination. Although in the case of Neanderthals, that's quite the insult.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Fancy » Feb 26th, 2017, 5:04 pm

Thinktank wrote:#1 - there is no such thing as herd immunity.
Apparently that's a misconception as herd immunity seems to be working for a great number of the population. There's the majority that haven't had the disease.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby the truth » Feb 27th, 2017, 11:19 am

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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Fancy » Feb 27th, 2017, 11:30 am

The piece from 2008 does state there has been no study regarding Vitamin D and the flu shot. People do take Vitamin D during the winter months and can still get the flu.
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Re: Flu shot herd immunity: a big scam

Postby Thinktank » Feb 27th, 2017, 11:39 am



This video shows all the reasons why Poland didn't go for the swine flu scam. Canada fell for it.

We should never take untested vaccines. Even Poland's lawyers advised against the swine flu vaccine.
Canada spent $millions on that vaccine, and Canadians were "scared" into taking it. (scam)

Whatever happened to the swine flu anyway?

Anyone know?
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