Teacher bargaining

[KGT]

This is complete and utter BS. Seriously, this may go over with your fellow BCTF bubble-dwellers but out here in the real world we can see and smell the loads of manure you are peddling. If your bozo leadership was actually even within the same solar system a mediator might have been able to do something over the summer but in actual point of fact it was pointless, you guys are completely off your rockers. Blaming the government, blaming the mediators, whatever, no one is buying this nonsense.

Which part specifically is BS?

[MyNameIsURL]

It's like the bctf has sucked the common sense and logic out of the teachers brains , they'll believe anything the union masters say.

Try working with them. It is painful at times. Some are truly nice, intelligent people but others are completely disjointed from reality. I would say judging from the strike vote you can accurately guess the ratio.

[George+]

86% disjointed from reality!
Ha!

They face the reality each teaching day.

Name calling gets nowhere.

Let's hope for something positive by this evening, as in,
Mediating/Bargaining ALL the long weekend.

Heck, I think I would even go for TRYING the first two weeks of September.
Depending on the govt saying SOMETHING about movement, and compromise.

[gardeningexpert]

Listening to Fassbender live on CKNW right now. He is a VERY well-spoken, well-informed person. I urge everyone to take a listen!

[LordEd]

Which part specifically is BS?

Then after the meeting with Kelleher, they asked to change to Vince Ready and took more time to set that up.

In contradiction to:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e19652238/

But after exploratory discussions’ with both sides, he [Kelleher] decided against proceeding any further as the independent third-party problem solver.

Multiple media sources contradict your timeline. Go check your sources. You may find you have been poorly informed again.

Also:

requested a meeting with a mediator in mid July (back then it was Kelleher). The govt dragged its heels for over two weeks before FINALLY agreeing to an August 8 meeting. Then after the meeting with Kelleher, they asked to change to Vince Ready and took more time to set that up

http://www.news1130.com/2014/07/02/bctf ... -mediator/
Article dated July 2, 2014

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Kelleher participated in exploratory talks with the BC Teachers’ Federation and the BC Public School Employers’ Association.

Kelleher has found that both sides remain too far apart for mediation to be effective.

Your timeline is wrong. How can Kelleher decline to be the mediator and be reported on July 2nd if the government didn't have meeting until August 8th?

[KGT]

Your timeline is wrong. How can Kelleher decline to be the mediator and be reported on July 2nd if the government didn't have meeting until August 8th?

Those articles were written on July 31. The arbitrator meeting didn't happen until Aug 8. The govt wouldn't agree to the meeting for over two weeks, i.e. past July 31, and Kelleher obviously changed his mind.

ETA: Ready didn't get involved until after the Aug 8 meeting

[omisimaw]

So... the teachers could accept the two weeks mediation.

BUT... if nothing happens?...( as the govt. held out all Summer from mediation.)

Back on Strike the middle of Sept.? Makes everyone look foolish and chaotic for children.

Just saying.

Hope for mediation and a deal this week.

George, best you not go down this road at all as you obviously have nada insight into mediation.
Beginning with the fact that the 2 week period is not two weeks of mediation, it is a give by the government to say to the BCTF that someone has to man up and start the process off and we (the govt) are prepared to NOT pull a lock out card for 2 weeks and in return we ask that you (the BCTF) rescind your strike position...
If nothing happens then the court is open and both parties have legal rights to Group A: lockout again or Group B: call another strike vote of the membership.
For Group B to be successful and gather enough votes to have another strike is at this point highly doubtful!

Hope for mediation? Mediator is meeting with numb nuts and the employers professional negotiator today and will be spelling out in simple, plain language, what and how it will take form to Iker. If he can understand what is being said and IF he can admit he is not chairing the process then it is possible that mediation will begin.

But a final deal this week? Your head is in the clouds to believe that.... listen to Iker and how at present he is interpreting the process as it is now... the man just does not get it, never will, and does not have the confidence to make an executive decision or formulate a plan to present to his membership.... sad really!

[The Green Barbarian]

Which part specifically is BS?

All of it!!!!!...bangs head on desk...KGT - if you are indicative of the BCTF bargaining team...with your constant revisionist history and blame game antics for every other party involved, then I wonder how Fassbender, Ready, Cameron and the rest of the people involved on the government side or on mediation side haven't already committed hari-kari and just offed themselves. Talk about a no-win to constantly be faced with a schizophrenic opponent/bargaining partner who just re-invents history to suit their purposes at their whim and lives completely in denial. No one is buying the big bag of BS that you are trying to peddle here KGT. And every day, fewer and fewer people are buying it in the real world either.

[LordEd]

The media seems to be jumping anytime a mediator is involved. All of them somehow missed the August 8th meeting having Kelleher involved?

[KGT]

The media seems to be jumping anytime a mediator is involved. All of them somehow missed the August 8th meeting having Kelleher involved?

That's a very good question. I'd like to know that as well.

[omisimaw]

We requested a meeting with a mediator in mid July (back then it was Kelleher). The govt dragged its heels for over two weeks before FINALLY agreeing to an August 8 meeting. Then after the meeting with Kelleher, they asked to change to Vince Ready and took more time to set that up. They were deliberately stalling all summer, all the while stating publicly that they are available 24/7. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You see this is how it all starts, we asked and they did not drop everything and do as we command!

Do you take this approach in the classroom? Hardly, so do not for one minute think that a 2 week timeline for response is out of the question given the magnitude of this situation.

It is within their right, actually both sides have the right, to request a different mediator. Nothing abnormal about the request, done all the time in business.

Not deliberate stalling at all, just your guess as to what is going on is all and given that you have nothing to back that it is a stall technique and knowing that this is absolutely normal and goes on all the time while the parties agree to a joint mediator, well sorry but you are wrong on this one.

[George+]

Who cares about Kelleher.

Ready may only be exploratory now but... Fassbender clearly said he was 'ready'
for mediation....right now. GO FOR IT. 24/7

“My hope is that it would move the parties into a zone where mediator
Vince Ready sees an opportunity to start productive mediation.

“We expect Mr. Ready will explore this development but – as it was
agreed to by the parties – it remains up to Mr. Ready to decide when to
start full mediation.

“As soon as Mr. Ready indicates mediation should commence, we are
ready. In fact, we are ready now.
Peter Fassbender

[LordEd]

The govt dragged its heels for over two weeks before FINALLY agreeing to an August 8 meeting

The only thing that supports your position is that I found comment that Kelleher was available the week of August 4th (http://www.scta46.org/), but if that is the case, then it puts "dragging feet" as the lie by being the next available week the mediator was available.

[The Green Barbarian]

86% disjointed from reality!
Ha!

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That's still better than the 100% ratio of fake social workers I've seen who are disjointed from reality.

[Rwede]

That's still better than the 100% ratio of fake social workers I've seen who are disjointed from reality.

Fake social workers, lying BCTF members.

Geez, what's this forum coming to?