Gunman viciously murder 80+ in Norway

[StraitTalk]

There it is, thanks.

Anyone seen this? http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107250006 Just watch the first 45 seconds... that guy is a freak. It frightens me he gets a spot on television. I also don't understand this new term "Domestic Extremist". Isn't that just a terrorist? Why aren't they calling this an act of terrorism instead of extremism? Don't worry, I already know the answer.

It's because he doesn't walk around in the desert and hide in caves.

[Captain Awesome]

What exactly is so nuts about what he says?

[StraitTalk]

He compares a camp for kids to learn about politics, to nazi camps. Did you miss that part?

[Homeownertoo]

He said, what kind of camp teaches kids about politics; sounds like a Hitler Youth-type organization. He never said they taught Nazi ideology to the kids. He just thought it sounded creepy in the same way the Hitler Youth was a creepy organization. He is probably right. Further, it was just an off-the-cuff comparison, not a train of thought or fully developed point of view.

Note also Beck's observation that, in Europe, the left and right are both parties of big government. Breivik, on the right, has called for the creation a youth movement modeled on the pro-Kremlin group Nashi, which more than one person has compared to the Hitler Youth.

[Captain Awesome]

He compares a camp for kids to learn about politics, to nazi camps. Did you miss that part?

Hitler Youth wasn't a Nazi camp, it was a youth organization backed by a political party. From what I've read, the camp organized by the Labour party currently in power wasn't exactly that, but you can see some parallels. Not exactly a huge stretch.

[Bagotricks]

Gotta love how for the first 48 hours most "news" channels were making the assumption it was Al-Qaeda and "islamic terrorists" that committed this act.

Turns out he is a crazy, anti-Islam, right wing christian!

Even a blogger for the Washington Times wrote in her retraction that "...just because it wast a Islamic extremest, doesn't mean there isn't lots of terrorists out to kill Americans".

Isnt it great how any terrorist act now is automatically assumed to be from "crazy Islamic" people? Julian Assange's execution has been called for numerous times by figures in the media - and he is just exposing lies!

Watch any Sci-Fi movie. There is always the big-brother oppressive "government/company" and the "terrorists" that are fighting to get out from under the oppression.

If this was the 1960's - Tim Leary, The Beatles and all the hippies would be locked up in Gitmo bay!

[Captain Awesome]

Watch any Sci-Fi movie. There is always the big-brother oppressive "government/company".

Why watch Sci-Fi? Just open up any thread on Castanet and you'll see nothing but "big brother tactics", "govt spying on us", "govt tells us what to do", "corporations rule the world" bahooney.

[Nebula]

First off, Bagoftricks, I strongly recommend you not get lessons on how the world works from sci-fi movies.

Secondly, there really are Muslim boogeymen out there.

Lastly, the initial assumptions of Islamic terrorists (including on this thread) were clearly wrong and should serve as a reminder not to jump to conclusions.

[Bagotricks]

First off, Bagoftricks, I strongly recommend you not get lessons on how the world works from sci-fi movies.

Secondly, there really are Muslim boogeymen out there.

Lastly, the initial assumptions of Islamic terrorists (including on this thread) were clearly wrong and should serve as a reminder not to jump to conclusions.

FIrst off - most modern inventions were all dreamed up in science fiction books. From theoretical space dynamics to voice print ID's to the internet. Science fiction is a unique human phenomenon where fiction does eventually mimic reality. You'd have to be pretty foolish to ignore how science fiction provides a grey road map to where society is heading if we are not careful.

Secondly, no kidding. Does that mean when some kids light off firecrackers in my back lane or someone shoots some kids, as a "journalist" it is ok for me to start making random assumptions and furthering the fear agenda?

I agree we shouldn't make assumptions - but those automatic assumptions concerning this story really brought into focus how trigger happy everyone is to call people "terrorists". Dont forget - terrorists can be tortured, have their phone tapped without warrants, can be sent to random countries for years and held without due process, doesnt matter if your 12 years old either.

People were calling the Vancouver rioters terrorists for crying out loud. Terrorism has become the new communism - and a nice big open unaccountable book to throw at people is yet again alive and well in society. That's all I'm saying. Be careful kids.

Thats why I mentioned hippies. They would certainly be classified as a terrorist group now. They didnt have 9/11 back then - but they did have drugs. Hence - the war on drugs. Criminalize a entire group of people that question the government. Who will be the next group of terrorists? Greenpeace for getting in the way of a "economic recovery?"

[Nebula]

Okay, I see where you're going. I would tend to agree the word 'terrorist' is used a little too loosely these days.

I wouldn't label the Norway shooter as a terrorist. He was just a wingnut.

And by the way... I was a Trekkie back in the day. Still waiting for the transporter and food replicator to come to fruition.

[Captain Awesome]

I wouldn't label the Norway shooter as a terrorist. He was just a wingnut.

What's the difference, exactly? He had a political agenda, somewhat religiously oriented, and devastating results of his actions.

Marvin Heemeyer and his Killdozer wasn't a terrorist, but this guy...pretty freaking close.

[Bagotricks]

Okay, I see where you're going. I would tend to agree the word 'terrorist' is used a little too loosely these days.

I wouldn't label the Norway shooter as a terrorist. He was just a wingnut.

And by the way... I was a Trekkie back in the day. Still waiting for the transporter and food replicator to come to fruition.

A cell phone strangely looks like a clam shell "communicator" doesn't it?

[Bsuds]

I think a "Terrorist" is anyone who does something to have a psychological effect on other people or groups. Whether religious or political. This certainly falls into that category.

[Nebula]

A cell phone strangely looks like a clam shell "communicator" doesn't it?

Yeah, I saw that show with William Shatner, too. Still waiting for the food replicator...

Bsuds, true enough.

[Bagotricks]

I think a "Terrorist" is anyone who does something to have a psychological effect on other people or groups. Whether religious or political. This certainly falls into that category.

Election campaigns?