CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

[heymac]

What's that old saying - "if it walks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, then it must BE a ........."

How many times did we here Harper (scumbag) say....we must win a majority, we must win a majority, we must win a majority,...?

[Urbane]

What's that old saying - "if it walks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, then it must BE a ........."



How many times did we here Harper (scumbag) say....we must win a majority, we must win a majority, we must win a majority,...?

You're right. And the NON-SCUMBAG party leaders said . . . we must not win, we must not win, we must not win . . .

By the way, you don't seem to like it when people use derogatory expressions to describe CUPW members and yet you call the Prime Minister of Canada a scumbag. That doesn't seem very consistent to me. Wouldn't a higher level of debate, beyond the schoolyard name-calling, be better?

[Merry]

It's a real shame that these kinds of discussions always end up degenerating into petty partisan attacks on each other, because that's the reason most of the real problems wind up not being resolved.

We all get sidetracked and start hurling insults, while the rule breakers (on ALL sides) continue on their merry little way and get away with it!

Regardless of our political affiliations we should ALL be concerned about people performing illegal activities in an attempt to fraudulently affect the outcome of an election. Even though I'm sure this latest example is not the only example, that doesn't mean we should overlook it and not ensure something is done to prevent another such occurrence in a future election.

Elections Canada needs to investigate this kind of allegation, and prosecute anyone it finds to be involved. If they don't have the necessary authority, or the necessary funding, then it is up to the Government to make sure that they do. And the punishment for anyone found guilty should be no less than a prison term, because that's the ONLY punishment that will act as a future deterrent. Fines won't cut it, because wealthy party supporters could always be counted on to cough up the needed funds (on the QT no doubt). And that applies to ALL parties, not just one. So jail terms it must be.

Surely none of us want a government that was elected due to the use of shady practices such as these robocalls. At least, I HOPE that none of us do.

[Prestige Mike]

This is outrageous.

If it's true, I hate to say it, but we need to have another election :purefury:

[D suzuki]

your right, we do need another election, if harper has any morals at all, he should call another election period.

as far as i am concerned , this goverment is lame duck, and all law that he passed should be recanted until another election is held

[Merry]

I don't think we need another election. But I do think there ought to be by-elections in all the affected ridings.

[Corneliousrooster]

http://www.leadnow.ca/robocall-fraud

Sign the letter to the people that NEED to be doing something about this!

[butcher99]

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Elections+Canada+investigating+robocalls+that+misled+voters/6194112/story.html

When you actually read the story you'll see that it's not the Conservative Party per se that sanctioned the robocalls but it sounds more like an employee or volunteer who used poor judgment. In the article it mentions that the party is having an internal investigation to find out who was responsible. Further, in the article it says this:

There is no evidence that Harper's campaign or any of the other candidates were involved in the calls.

So the contents of the article doesn't jibe with your misleading thread title.

Well, it is looking more and more like it was the Conservative party that was at the head of this. It no longer appears to be misleading at all. 40+ ridings and now we just heard an interview of a person who actually did the calls and she says it did come from the Cons.

[butcher99]

No, it doesn't just stink. If it can be proven that people were tampering with the election by fraudulently misrepresenting themselves, that's probably illegal.

It is proven both by the numbers of people who say they got the calls, and this morning by a lady who worked at a call centre and actually made the calls. The numbers of the people were collected by phoning around and asking who you supported in the election. This was done early in the campaign. Using these phone lists people were phoned back with the bogus information about polling sites or were given harassing phone calls.

[NAB]

I don't think we need another election. But I do think there ought to be by-elections in all the affected ridings.

I disagree, and I don't think it would happen before another election is due anyway. However, such activites are illegal, and if the culprit(s) can be caught and prosecuted then there criminal penalties for them if found guilty. (And provided of course that the calls actually originated from within Canada or those who did it are still in the country).

But it sure gives the NDP and the Liberals something to rant about and makes the Commons question periods continue as the juvenile circus it has always been in recent decades.

Nab

[heymac]

I don't think we need another election. But I do think there ought to be by-elections in all the affected ridings.

Of course we should. And it makes my opinion to have Harper and his followers locked up sooner then later if found guilty.

[guicho]

Just another sign of how we are losing our country and the ideals it was built on. As the story grows, it becomes apparent that it was a nationwide effort and must have had massive money and upper party brass support. Knowing how Harper muzzles his own MPs and candidates, I find it hard to believe he had no knowledge, but that's something for Elections Canada and the RCMP to determine. Did it affect the results? We will never know, but the important thing here is that the attempt was made to discourage voters from voting, which is unacceptable. By elections should be held in the ridings where it is proved to have happened and the guilty parties should not only face fines and jail, their right to vote and participate in politics should be revoked for 10 years. And it's the Conservatives this time, but I don't doubt the Liberals and NDP aren't above this kind of thing. More proof that none of the parties deserve our trust.

[mrj222]

Just another sign of how we are losing our country and the ideals it was built on. As the story grows, it becomes apparent that it was a nationwide effort and must have had massive money and upper party brass support. Knowing how Harper muzzles his own MPs and candidates, I find it hard to believe he had no knowledge, but that's something for Elections Canada and the RCMP to determine. Did it affect the results? We will never know, but the important thing here is that the attempt was made to discourage voters from voting, which is unacceptable. By elections should be held in the ridings where it is proved to have happened and the guilty parties should not only face fines and jail, their right to vote and participate in politics should be revoked for 10 years. And it's the Conservatives this time, but I don't doubt the Liberals and NDP aren't above this kind of thing. More proof that none of the parties deserve our trust.

Change 10 years to life and add in a dash of losing your MP pension and you have yourself a good idea. In spite of the spin attempts this was most certainly not some over zealous youngster this appears to be very large scale and well orchestrated. Incidents like this are why I will never support any political party only whichever candidate I think will try to screw me a little less. The people behind this deserve to be bankrupted, jailed, tarred and feathered.

[NAB]

Meet the robocalls scandal's prime suspect — 'Pierre Poutine'

http://www.timescolonist.com/life/Meet+ ... story.html

[D suzuki]

nice try nab , i would laugh , but this is way more important than to laugh about. this is the type of crap the americans try to pull off on each other. like i said as far as im concerned, the election is a fraud. plain and simple .

harper should step down and call a election and all the laws they passed recanted