Should mentally ill people be in jail?

[SassySasquatch]

Than what - incarcerate them for the span of their lives devoid of human compassion (True Humanic Empathy) and let them stare at four walls and what else? Can someone who murders without justification be rehabilitated? The Pedophile or Sadist? In those cases where rehab shows promise than yes BUT for those without - ? Yeah, I did think it through. I don't see you offering solutions...

[Hmmm]

Than what - incarcerate them for the span of their lives devoid of human compassion (True Humanic Empathy) and let them stare at four walls and what else? Can someone who murders without justification be rehabilitated? The Pedophile or Sadist? In those cases where rehab shows promise than yes BUT for those without - ? Yeah, I did think it through. I don't see you offering solutions...

I may have not offered a solution but I didn't suggest one that previously resulted in 6 million Jews bring killed.

[Corneliousrooster]

I may have not offered a solution but I didn't suggest one that previously resulted in 6 million Jews bring killed.

What if they were 6 million murderous pedophile jews? Would you really care if they were still here?
clifford olsen? Paul Bernardo? You pay to keep these people clothed and fed and housed and babysat for their natural lifespan to what benefit of mankind?

[SassySasquatch]

Hmmm. Whoa - this isn't about Genocide of a particular population (although it may be argued that in fact it is) - that of the TRUE criminal insane individual (Hitler and Picton, Manson and Bundy), serial pedophiles and sadists. What IS the point? Please explain your empathy for these persons and individuals AND human beings. Tough question, apologies in advance.

[Sneaksuit]

Humans cannot be examined outside of their cultural context (Anthropology 101). Each culture creates its own rates of murder, rape, pedophilia etc., not purposely of course, but as a by-product. Humans are not born killers and pedophiles, they are a product of the culture. Then the question becomes how do we deal with the monsters we helped create by participating and supporting the system?

[Corneliousrooster]

Then the question becomes how do we deal with the monsters we helped create by participating and supporting the system?

What is this "system" you refer to that would be being supported? And how do you figure "we" created them? I understand the correlation between more violent and oppressed cultures tend to breed more violence as but, Canada for example - how are we "creating" them?

[Sneaksuit]

Hi Rooster. If you can make the connection between more violent culture creating more violent people then step back and visualize our culture as compared to others. At first it may seem much different but we only have our experience to know how different cultures can really get, so we cannot compare unless a look at historical cultures and some philosophy. We vote and pay for a system that is every man for himself, punishes as a form of behavior modification, money is the medium in which our life, health, freedom, desires(even bad ones), and measure of success abides by, and a host of other camouflaged problems we were born into and believe is "normal".

In our particular culture we can measure and expect a certain murder rate. Next year there will be a similar rate as last in Canada. In another country it is different. The difference in rate is not because the variance in genome. When humans live like the rest of nature, in peace, caring for one another, and are free to do our passions, that is what our children will experience and grow up to perpetuate. Humanity is inching closer.*

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

[SassySasquatch]

Humans cannot be examined outside of their cultural context (Anthropology 101). Each culture creates its own rates of murder, rape, pedophilia etc., not purposely of course, but as a by-product. Humans are not born killers and pedophiles, they are a product of the culture. Then the question becomes how do we deal with the monsters we helped create by participating and supporting the system?

You need to expand on the circumference of your argument and define which Cultures and their nefarious dispositions are particular to that culture and/or society. Than we can engage in demonstrated arguments as to what separates what and who.

[Sneaksuit]

You need to expand on the circumference of your argument and define which Cultures and their nefarious dispositions are particular to that culture and/or society. Than we can engage in demonstrated arguments as to what separates what and who.

Sure, check out the Spartan culture as one example, particularly pederasty.

[SassySasquatch]

Is this in reference to 1000 AD+ or before that. That them the Greeks eh?