Greece to leave the EU?

[hobbyguy]

Governing irresponsibilty is not limited to the left.

The center right government of Karamanlis "went on a spending spree" after being elected in 2004, while the EU was conducting an investigation into Greece's deficit situation (info taken from New York Times article of May 4, 2010).

There are many other examples, but we are talking about Greece here.

[GrooveTunes]

"the Greeks are going to get kicked out of the EU."

Why lie?

[The Green Barbarian]

"the Greeks are going to get kicked out of the EU."

Why lie?

who is lying? Der Spiegel?

Der Spiegel Calls on Greece to Exit Euro for Its Own Good

Germany's most influential magazine Der Spiegel has joined a chorus of voices, claiming Greece's exit from the euro zone is the best solution to the current dead-end.

"Despite all the skepticism, our editors have until now pleaded for Athens to remain in the euro zone," Der Spiegel wrote in its editorial column, entitled "Acropolis, Adieu!"

"Since the parliamentary elections at the beginning of May, Spiegel observers have changed their opinion."

"The Greeks were never ripe for the currency union and they still are not today. The attempt to make the country sustainable healthy through reforms has failed," Spiegel journalists wrote in their in-depth report on Greece.

"In the meantime it is clear that the exit is in their own interest... Only an exit of Greece from the euro zone gives the country a chance in the long term to get back on its feet."

Greece faces anew the risk of default and exit from the euro zone after voters rejected austerity and the terms of the country's bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund, plunging the country in political instability.

Greece recently won approval for a second bailout of EUR 130 B intended to help keep it afloat until 2014.

Germany is having to pay more than any other country for the package - angering many German citizens and politicians.

Despite the measures, some analysts fear Greece might need even more help.

The Greek economy is expected to suffer a fifth consecutive year of recession this year, and has already shrunk 12% since 2008.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=139316

[GrooveTunes]

[quote="The Green Barbarian"][quote="GrooveTunes"]"the Greeks are going to get kicked out of the EU."


who is lying? Der Spiegel?



You. But nice try on the spin.

[The Green Barbarian]

You. But nice try on the spin.

man, I wish you lefties weren't so lazy. But of course, ingrained in the leftist nutter philosophy is the concept that everyone else is supposed to do everything for you, so of course laziness is assumed in all left-wing adherents. Please please show me where I am lying, or spinning, anything...sigh...or just continue to make useless contributions like this one above...

anyway, it appears many others are foreseeing Greece being punted out of the EU, sooner rather than later...

Concerns over contagion may actually expedite a Greek departure earlier than most thought possible

As the Eurozone continues to show weakness, events last weekend in Athens may accelerate the situation. The downward movement in oil prices this week in both London and on the NYMEX testified to the rising concern.

The aftermath of the Greek elections propelled the new radical left party SYRIZA into the limelight as the second strongest party in the country. Given the adamant refusal by SYRIZA leadership to accept bailout reforms, the party's new brokering position means the crisis will continue.

Bitter austerity measures await the formation of a coalition government, since no party received a majority of the seats in parliament from the vote. The coalition is supported by both the New Democracy and socialist PASOK parties, which have taken turns ruling Greece for nearly four decades.

But the surprise showing of SYRIZA has thrown the possibility of an accord into disarray.

At best, this means a further delay and likely a new election.

On the other hand, Greece has little time left. Any further delay in forming a government, with no guarantee that a very angry population will vote any differently the next time around, puts the next tranche of the European Union bailout package in jeopardy.

It is now more likely that Greece will leave (or be pushed out of) the Eurozone, casting a greater uncertainty on both the currency and the southern tier of countries still in the zone.

Spain is the current focus of concern, but Italy is also exhibiting renewed weakness.

Unlike Greece, Spain and Italy have debt problems that dwarf the ability of any Brussels-led support package. These economies are simply too large to be "rescued" from the outside.

The concerns over contagion, therefore, may actually expedite a Greek departure earlier than most thought possible.

Including me.

It is true that any members leaving the Eurozone will have a negative effect upon currency strength and economic prospects. It is also unclear how the Greek departure will aid in shoring up either Spain or Italy. The problems in each of these economies are endemic; they are not primarily a result of "spillovers" from the situation in Greece.

All of which means, to borrow a phrase from former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, there are a series of "known unknowns" now facing the EU. The credit and banking problems are essentially the "known" part of this equation. The extent of the fallout on the euro as a whole is the massive "unknown" flowing through the calculations.

This is accentuated by recent developments in the two major economies using the euro -- Germany and France. No rescue package for any EU member is possible without the leadership of these two dominant European economies. To date, Paris has emphasized protecting its suspect banking sector, while Berlin has a strong political undercurrent demanding additional protection of German production and trade.

However, the recent French elections, in which a socialist has been elected president, and indications surfacing that the German economy may be facing a slowdown, will put continued support of a "bailout for austerity" approach to Greece in question.

Thus far, both major nations have led the EU-Greek approach, strongly arguing that the preservation of the euro demands it. The dramatic political events unfolding in Athens are rapidly undermining that support.

And this has impacted the price of oil.

Greece's effect on oil prices

The only way oil prices are coming down is by the advance of pressures outside (exogenous to, as the analysts say) the oil market itself.

This is what happened in 2008. The rise in crude and the corresponding spike in the cost of oil products like gasoline, diesel, and heating oil retreated only when the full weight of the subprime mortgage-induced credit freeze hit.

Overall demand dried up as the ensuing recession hit.

We are seeing a similar short-term pullback in prices as concerns over falling demand levels parallel the European confusion.

Yet this time there are three important differences.

First, the American economy is largely insulating itself from what happens on the continent (assuming the JPMorgans of the world can oversee their traders).

Second, oil demand continues in those parts of the world that actually determine the pricing level. As I have said a number of times before, these are not North America, Western Europe or the developed (OECD) countries. This is based on developing and accelerating new economies elsewhere.

There is also a third factor of some importance.

The 2008 collapse and resulting worldwide recession centered on dollar-denominated assets, the assets basic to the global network of trade, cross-border capital flows, and wealth.

Not so this time around.

The current situation tends to benefit the value of the dollar against the euro. With virtually all international oil trades in dollars, that does mean prices may stabilize for a time. But it also means the concentrated asset wealth in those oil transactions will increase.

And despite the events in Europe, the ultimate value of oil contracts will increase as well – especially in a market where the essential rise in demand is occurring in those regions of the world not directly impacted by the Eurozone problems.

So, farewell Greece. Good luck, Spain.

Once the dust settles, oil holdings will continue to exhibit significant value gains moving forward.

http://www.stockhouse.com/Columnists/20 ... -of-Greece