NDP ahead of Conservatives

[D suzuki]

lol green anyone with a ability to think can see whats going on in the oilsands ,shipping our oil for refinment somewhere else then buying it back for a higher price wont last for ever , is robbing canada of more money , and harper is turning our country into more like communist russia then any ndp could ever dream of .


if we build refineries, the world will buy the end products , and we will make more money , and it will create even more longer lasting jobs for canadians

[D suzuki]

lol i guess you do not know what stockwell days views are on human timeline on earth


"Homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured through counselling."
- Stockwell Day, February of 1992, quoted in Alberta Report

"Women who become pregnant through rape or incest should not qualify for government-funded abortions unless their pregnancy is life-threatening."
- Stockwell Day, 1995, at an Alberta Conservative party convention

With this literalist belief in the Bible comes some unusual ideas that rarely gather press. As one educator made notes in an informal presentation Day made in Red Deer during 1997, the Treasurer claimed the following things to be true: 1) The earth is 6,000 years old; 2) Adam and Eve were real people; 3) Humans and dinosaurs co-existed; and 4) There's as much evidence for creation as evolution.



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[The Green Barbarian]

if we build refineries, the world will buy the end products , and we will make more money , and it will create even more longer lasting jobs for canadians

more with this refinery nonsense. Just so ridiculous.

1. Who is going to build them
2. Where are you going to build them
3. How are you going to get the capital
4. How are you going to get the enviromental approvals
5. Why do we need them? We aren't buying back refined product, our product is refined in Sarnia. Why are you deliberately telling fibs like this? It makes no sense given how easily your fibs are exposed.

[The Green Barbarian]

lol i guess you do not know what stockwell days views are on human timeline on earth

and I guess you forgot this.

[D suzuki]

no , i was making a point of , if you want the best goverment, why not hire the best people instead of making your friends mp's?if the ndp really want to win, then they will , have to look at that option, and people that work in oil sands know full well whats going on, they the ones wanting refinieries, they know it would mean more jobs , just like manufacturing our own products and for export , would mean more jobs. glodal trade deals are geared towards one thing now, tons of money for the companies while exploiting up and coming countries for cheap slave labour .

[twobits]

glodal trade deals are geared towards one thing now, tons of money for the companies while exploiting up and coming countries for cheap slave labour .

Why don't you cut the bull and admit you care nothing for the plight of foreign cheap labour. Exploited how? By working for market wages in their own economy. You claim to care about their "exploitation" when what really pizzes you off is that they are threatening your wage rate. Tell us.....if you care so much about them, what would you do for them if all these companies packed up and left leaving them zero jobs.

[D suzuki]

lol well because of the internet , more and more of the people in these countries are seeing how things can be better, china is starting to get unions now ect ect, manufacturing will move back to north america once things have evened out, but at what cost to the people that live here and for how long.



i care about them enough to not shop at walmart, how about you? what do you do for them?

[The Green Barbarian]

i care about them enough to not shop at walmart, how about you? what do you do for them?

"not shopping at Walmart" - literally the least you can do to show how much you care. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where you shop, if you buy anything now adays, chances are it was made in China. I went to Home Depot to buy a barbecue, and asked if they had any not made in China. The response was "if we stopped selling stuff from China, the whole store would be empty". So good luck with your not shopping at Walmart plan, it'll be as effective as sitting in a tent smoking pot in public parks, or walking around naked banging a pot on a street in Montreal.

[D suzuki]

[quote="The Green Barbarian"

"not shopping at Walmart" - literally the least you can do to show how much you care. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where you shop, if you buy anything now adays, chances are it was made in China. I went to Home Depot to buy a barbecue, and asked if they had any not made in China. The response was "if we stopped selling stuff from China, the whole store would be empty". So good luck with your not shopping at Walmart plan, it'll be as effective as sitting in a tent smoking pot in public parks, or walking around naked banging a pot on a street in Montreal.[/quote]
you just made my point, thanks for pointing out how manufacturing , is being transfered from northamerica to cheap labor markets for the benefit of a company, not canada

[The Green Barbarian]

you just made my point, thanks for pointing out how manufacturing , is being transfered from northamerica to cheap labor markets for the benefit of a company, not canada

well it's for the benefit of consumers - at least those that buy stuff. Your point about not shopping at Walmart as some sort of protest is just plain laughable.

[D suzuki]

its not a protest , its my choice, i never liked walmart from first time i went to see what they were all about , i try and shop at local small places even if it costs more , and thrift stores to , id even buy something from your company if i knew what they sold if it was localy owned

[GrooveTunes]

well it's for the benefit of consumers - at least those that buy stuff. Your point about not shopping at Walmart as some sort of protest is just plain laughable.[/quote]

BS! You buy China you buy two instead of one. Cheap labor, cheap products = benefits Walmart.

[jennylives]

It's only short term benefit though. Think about all the different materials and labour going into every stage of making an alarm clock from circuitry to plastics to dyes and all of the shipping involved. There is no way it should cost $15 with profit being made at every stage. There is a price being paid. It's just not us paying it, yet.

[Urbane]

I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying that we're about to experience a huge manufacturing boom in North America, the likes of which haven't been seen for decades. He said that it's already started and provided some examples. Why? Because transportation costs from China to N. America are now so high, and expected to increase even more, that it's more economical to manufacture here. We'll see if he's right . . .

[twobits]

I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying that we're about to experience a huge manufacturing boom in North America, the likes of which haven't been seen for decades. He said that it's already started and provided some examples. Why? Because transportation costs from China to N. America are now so high, and expected to increase even more, that it's more economical to manufacture here. We'll see if he's right . . .

This started to gain traction a few years ago already. Small kitchen appliances was the example I recall. China realizes this too and is one of their motivations in keeping the yaun low and their recent moves to try and increase domestic consumption as offsets to relying on a strict export economy. Global market prices for raw materials, energy and transport costs (both importing raw materials and exporting finished product) coupled with rising domestic wages are slowly eroding the distinct competative advantage they had in manufacturing. Free trade does eventually equalize the majority of components at which point business in order to be efficient uses plain old fashioned Location Analysis......input variables and distance to market.