Quebec students suffering from severe case of entitlement

[RedGiant]

The definition of strike: A refusal to work organized by a body of employees as a form of protest, typically in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions...: "local workers went on strike"
So that is the literal definition of strike as a noun. Students can not go on strike because they are not employees. Simple as that. S please stop saying you are on strike! It takes away from the people who are legitimately on strike by using the word so flagrantly.
The students in Quebec pay the least in the country for tuition fees or close to it, so get over it you are not special and are not entitled to anything extra above any other student in Canada. We have to pay for our education, thats the way she goes and it won't change by you banging your pots and disrupting the city with your ridiculous protests.

[kina]

Sure they may be cheaper than the rest in Canada, but it doesn't make it any easier to afford. Schooling should be accessible by everyone because once an education can only be achieved by those who have the money to buy it, we no longer are awarding students for their learning and effort, but rather for the amount they or their families are willing to pay to get ahead. That's what we are raising now: a generation where it doesn't matter what you are capable of, but how well you are off.
I'm a bit tired of being told that just because that is the way it was done in the past means that is the way it should be done now and will be for all eternity.

[Homeownertoo]

There is a big difference between working together with Americans to bring down criminals and letting an American have the jurisdiction to arrest a Canadian on Canadian soil. That's a pretty straightforward statement which shows how much power the states have over Canada. You don't hear that Canadians can arrest Americans on American soil.

I don't think anyone here, including me, has taken the time to understand what it behind what is, on the surface, an odd and perhaps disturbing abdication of sovereignty. I think there is more to it than we Castanet posters are aware.

There is something wrong with some of the professors in schools. Young people need to be taught to understand all sides of these issues properly before they can be capable of making a decent argument and thus decision. But saying that they are inadequate to learn about it or are too juvenile to understand is a prejudiced remark. Given the right tools, they are as capable as any older person. Regardless of whether they choose capitalism or not, they are the ones to whom this world will be left to. I think we need to realize that sooner rather than later and get onto helping them, not criticizing them.
Personally, I would love to see that an independent body is established which will "check" the impartiality of professors in universities. I remember one of my university friends speaking about how biased professors are and how they implement their own personal views into the teaching as though it is fact. This definitely needs to change.

David Horowitz goes into great detail on this phenomenon in his book Indoctrination U: The Left's War Against Academic Freedom. This is no place to try to outline his thesis apart from noting that what he uncovers happening in American universities appalls even an old cynic like me. They aren't, apparently, the old institutions of collegial and impartial inquiry they actually once were.

[Homeownertoo]

Or maybe they are capable of thinking for themselves and came to that conclusion of their own accord. I certainly never had teachers putting down Capitalism. I figured out it's not a sustainable, long term model on my own. I resent being told if one's ideas are different from your own then they are indoctrinated or brainwashed.

You really imagine that twit speaking, in some sense, for you? If that was his conclusion, I doubt it was the process of any real thinking process. Sadly, it appears to be what passes such in some university classrooms today.

[Homeownertoo]

Sure they may be cheaper than the rest in Canada, but it doesn't make it any easier to afford. Schooling should be accessible by everyone....

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/06/george-jonas-quebec-students-dont-want-free-tuition-just-someone-else-to-pay-it/

An exerpt: "There’s no free education, only education charged to someone else. There’s no free lunch, no free love, no free bicycles, no free anything. Cost is inherent in value. If something has any value, a dollar or a million, it cannot be free. It’s logically impossible.
"Repeat after me, especially if you’re an NDP supporter: If it’s free, it has no value; if it has value, it’s not free. When people carry placards in the street demanding a “free” education, they’re demanding nonsense."

It appears to me, kina, that you are quite uaware of the case against 'free' or even cheap post-secondary education. You might want to look at that instead of simply assuming that 'free' tuition is an unmitigated blessing, either for the 'studends' or for society.

[The Green Barbarian]

Or maybe they are capable of thinking for themselves and came to that conclusion of their own accord. I certainly never had teachers putting down Capitalism. I figured out it's not a sustainable, long term model on my own. I resent being told if one's ideas are different from your own then they are indoctrinated or brainwashed.

You are right Jenny. That kid, carrying his IPhone and his Ipad, wearing his $100 jeans etc, really is thinking for himself when he says on national TV "I hate capitalism". Yup. He has absolutely no clue what he is even talking about, and is just parroting a bunch of crap he heard from his idiot professor.

[logicalview]

Or maybe they are capable of thinking for themselves and came to that conclusion of their own accord. ------------------ I resent being told if one's ideas are different from your own then they are indoctrinated or brainwashed.

Like this kind of brainwashing and indoctrination?


Protesters give the raised arm salute to Montreal riot police as they guard the back entrance of the headquarters of the Quebec Provincial police in Montreal on Monday, May 21, 2012. (Peter McCabe / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Some protesters have been using it repeatedly in recent weeks to mock Montreal police at demonstrations in which chanting crowds have referred to local officers as the "SS," called them fascists and compared them to Nazi police for their alleged brutality.

Besides the salute what are else are the "students" up to?

There have also been swastikas on anti-police pamphlets being distributed.

Mocking the Holocaust.

Who teaches the these tactics to the "students"?



If there was any doubt - it is now obvious how little useful education these "students" have.

[kina]

If it’s free, it has no value; if it has value, it’s not free...

It appears to me, kina, that you are quite uaware of the case against 'free' or even cheap post-secondary education. You might want to look at that instead of simply assuming that 'free' tuition is an unmitigated blessing, either for the 'studends' or for society.

Ok, so who decides how much knowledge costs? If you look at it that way, the education they are getting isn't getting any better and definitely isn't making them any smarter, so this kind of education has no value and should be at least cheaper if not free. Or, on the other hand, since knowledge is priceless, then I guess nobody can afford it and we can all just forget about getting an education.
Also according to your view an act of kindness to someone has no value either now does it.

[logicalview]

“We condemn, in the strongest of terms, this inexcusable display of hate by Quebec student protesters that has outraged the Jewish community and demonstrated just how low the level of public debate has fallen on the streets of Montreal,” B’nai Brith Canada CEO Frank Dimant said in the statement.

Entitled socialist scumbags.

[The Green Barbarian]

I thought face-covering at demonstrations was illegal and would result in arrest. I guess that was just more bluster and nonsense from the weak-kneed Charest government. What they should do is cattle prod anybody with a mask on, then perhaps these little Che Guevaras and Mao Tse Tungs would be less inclined to make such giant arses of themselves.

[kina]

Having their faces covered might be illegal, but it shouldn't be. In order for a protester to have their face uncovered means trusting that they actually have the right to free speech without being punished for it.
The reason these neo-nazis are becoming so prominent in our culture is because they have merely grabbed the right moment to force their "white supremacy" slogans into the public. When people are as oppressed as they are and feel that they have no power to change things, they will either lull in a dream-like state waiting for somebody else to fix it, or they will attempt to go to extremes in order to get ANY kind of change to happen. This lowering of the standard of change and how it is to come about merely gives rise to actions like the ones in the above pictures, where any form of extremism, even Hitler-like actions are seen as a better alternative than the current system they are being forced to abide to.

[The Green Barbarian]

I honestly think Charest went the wrong way cracking down on the prostestors. He should have cracked down on the bone-head students that were bullying the good students who just wanted to go to class. He should have cracked down on the bone-heads that were skipping class, by expelling them. And he should have cracked down on every idiot professor that was encouraging the bone-head students. When these bums start losing their cosy tenured positions, and realize the only other job they are qualified for is a greeter at Walmart, maybe they'd stop with the civil insurrection nonsense and teach their classes, and even stick to their subjects, instead of interjecting marxism and "social justice" stupidity into their lectures.

[Homeownertoo]

Ok, so who decides how much knowledge costs?

How about the marketplace, in other words, individuals can decide the value of knowledge and how much effort/expense they want to devote to it based on the value it represents to them. The alternative is some authoritative figure deciding on a one-price-fits-all scheme that breaks the value-to-price link.

If you look at it that way, the education they are getting isn't getting any better and definitely isn't making them any smarter, so this kind of education has no value and should be at least cheaper if not free.

But there is a cost to providing it. That illustrates the fallacy the underlies a 'free' education. It can be worthless but because the consumers have no leverage over a 'free' product, they can't demand a higher quality. And since there is a cost to even the most worthless education, someone is footing the bill for a worthless product. Everyone loses.

But let the marketplace prevail, and it would quickly determine an appropriate value for an education that has no value, and an appropriate value for a worthy education, while consumers would decide which is worth their coin.

Or, on the other hand, since knowledge is priceless, then I guess nobody can afford it and we can all just forget about getting an education.

'Priceless' is just a figure of speech, not an actionable assessment. The market would determine its price soon enough.

Also according to your view an act of kindness to someone has no value either now does it.

Value and price are two separate concepts. Only by sophistry do you confuse the two. On reflection, I find your entire line of reasoning based on sophistry, not rational argument.

[Homeownertoo]

Having their faces covered might be illegal, but it shouldn't be. In order for a protester to have their face uncovered means trusting that they actually have the right to free speech without being punished for it.

They have that right. Are you alluding to punishment by non-governmental agents, such as friends or employers? In that case, there is no overriding public interest to prevent such 'punishment'. The overriding public interest is that lawbreakers can be identified by being seen. Having their faces covered while protesting should, in a free society, be illegal. This is not a totalitarian society where the right to protest does not exist. Pretending otherwise is the first step down that route because it coarsens public debate while ripping off the courage of those who protest within real dictatorships, much as the OWS movement ripped off the Arab Spring protesters by putting themselves in the same class.

[dudlee]

I honestly think Charest went the wrong way cracking down on the prostestors. He should have cracked down on the bone-head students that were bullying the good students who just wanted to go to class. He should have cracked down on the bone-heads that were skipping class, by expelling them. And he should have cracked down on every idiot professor that was encouraging the bone-head students. When these bums start losing their cosy tenured positions, and realize the only other job they are qualified for is a greeter at Walmart, maybe they'd stop with the civil insurrection nonsense and teach their classes, and even stick to their subjects, instead of interjecting marxism and "social justice" stupidity into their lectures.

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See cracking down to me , would be Water Canons and Pepper Spray , not saying WAHHH WAHHH WAHHHH and doing nothing .

Charest is a Fed Fib Ex and that makes him useless and weak .Cancel the $20 Billion in Equalization Payments and see what happens :hailjo: