September 11

[GenesisGT]

UNLESS......they had killed all the controllers, replaced them with clone Mossad agents and then hacked into the ATC computer network, replaced all the original data with their own fake stuff and then pretended like nothing had happened.

I think you are confusing reality with DIE Hard 2 vs IROBOT in Revenge of Men in Black.

Right then, theres some constructive conversation to add to the debate.
So then, what you were saying about the war games, they had no affect on the events of sept 11?
Cause thats even in the 911 commission report and states otherwise.
A second van that was stopped with the 5 Israelis. Thats also a well known fact. This is the van that was reported by the media to be packed with explosives. Although no explosives were found, bomb dogs reacted to it as though there was. Hence the reasoning of the media report. I pretty sure the fbi report used the term "traces of explosives" Fact

I would say the war games did have an impact. When listening to the recordings it is obvious that the military was questioning whether the hijackings were part of the war games or real. What I am saying is military war games under normal circumstances have little affect on normal air traffic.

There was three stories about vans being loaded with explosives on that day, and it is easy to get them mixed up.

1) van on King St. , not Israelis's, two middle east men, mural painted on the side, no explosives ( although initially it was reported to have exploded, no explosion), men released, mural on van was moving company logo for many years, note there is pictures of the van mural with airplane crashing into twin towers, the actual mural is of a plane flying over the twin towers. King street is about 20 blocks from WTC.

2) white van on NJ turnpike, 5 Israelies, reported to have explosives no explosives found, they were held for 71 days, interrogated etc, deported to Israel, these guys took pictures of WTC buildings, although reported to be a movie no movie camera found, but a 35mm camera with pictures found. One man identified as past Mossad agent, that is why they held them, FBI worried they were spying on USA not as part of 911. This was around 4pm that day.

3) van around Brooklyn tunnel (I believe) two middle east men, no explosives, this is the one the dog reacted to possible explosives having been in truck at one time, men released

[vinnied]

Well, one, that's a huge leap from a van that may have at one point in time had explosives in it, to Israeli terrorists trying to blow up a bridge.

It was a van. It's just as conceivable that at some point it was used to legally transport explosives, say for demolition, as it is to say it was going to blow up something in NY.

I never once said anyone was trying to blow up a bridge. I said the media reported a van was stopped there with explosives in it.
heres another page from that FBI report.
pay attention to items 15, 16, especialy 17, and 34

[kompili]

“How can planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?”

The tables for AA Flight 77 can be found in Hendrie’s book on pages 9 and 11, while similar tables for AA Flight 11 can be found on pages 8 and 10. The case against the use of planes becomes even more powerful when we realized that, as David Ray Griffin, THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT: OMISSIONS AND DISTORTIONS (2005), explains, Waleed al-Shehri, whom the government claims was aboard AA Flight 11, was interviewed after 9/11 by a London-based newspaper and spoke with the US Embassy in Morocco on 22 September, which would have been remarkable for someone who had died when the plane he allegedly helped to hijacked hit the North Tower. And the same is true of Ahmed al-Nami and Saeed al-Ghamdi, both alleged to have been aboard Flight 93 and were interviewed by multiple sources, while the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., reported that three other alleged hijackers, Mohand al-Shehri, Salem al-Hazmi, and Abdulzaiz al-Omairi, were all alive and well and living in Saudia Arabia (page 19). Salem al-Hazmi was supposed to have been aboard AA Flight 77 and al-Nami to have piloted AA Flight 11 (page 20), which reinforces the BTS data.

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/9 ... eo-fakery/

[kompili]

Weren't all those flights scheduled flights that left everyday at the same time? Wouldn't there be someone that would notice that 1: they could never book a seat on any of those flights prior to that day
2: any airline employee at any of the departing airports not noticing the normal scheduled flight was not there?

Indeed, the evidence that United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville and that United Flight 175 did not hit the South Tower has been considerably strengthened by new discoveries from Pilots for 9/11 Truth. By means of meticulous research on electronic communications between those aircraft and air traffic controllers, they have been able to establish that United Flight 93 was in the air in the vicinity of Fort Wayne, IN, and Champaign, IL, at the time of the alleged Shanksville crash. Since no aircraft can be in two places at one time, it is difficult to imagine more conclusive proof that the Shanksville crash of Flight 93 was another fabricated event:

[goatboy]

Weren't all those flights scheduled flights that left everyday at the same time? Wouldn't there be someone that would notice that 1: they could never book a seat on any of those flights prior to that day
2: any airline employee at any of the departing airports not noticing the normal scheduled flight was not there?

Indeed, the evidence that United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville and that United Flight 175 did not hit the South Tower has been considerably strengthened by new discoveries from Pilots for 9/11 Truth. By means of meticulous research on electronic communications between those aircraft and air traffic controllers, they have been able to establish that United Flight 93 was in the air in the vicinity of Fort Wayne, IN, and Champaign, IL, at the time of the alleged Shanksville crash. Since no aircraft can be in two places at one time, it is difficult to imagine more conclusive proof that the Shanksville crash of Flight 93 was another fabricated event:

I give up. you have no real answers to any of my questions, just more links to questionable websites with questionable " evidence" on them. You accuse us of having blinders on but you are just as guilty as you have not once stopped and considered compelling questions that debunk your theory. Good luck in your quest, the truth is out there somewhere.........

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[goatboy]

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[GenesisGT]

“How can planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?”

The tables for AA Flight 77 can be found in Hendrie’s book on pages 9 and 11, while similar tables for AA Flight 11 can be found on pages 8 and 10.

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/9 ... eo-fakery/

No where is it documented that "have still been in the air four years later", what is documented is that they are still listed in a book.


Also please explain what a "Hendrie book" is or provide a link to it.

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[kompili]

[GenesisGT]

Weren't all those flights scheduled flights that left everyday at the same time? Wouldn't there be someone that would notice that 1: they could never book a seat on any of those flights prior to that day
2: any airline employee at any of the departing airports not noticing the normal scheduled flight was not there?

Indeed, the evidence that United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville and that United Flight 175 did not hit the South Tower has been considerably strengthened by new discoveries from Pilots for 9/11 Truth. By means of meticulous research on electronic communications between those aircraft and air traffic controllers, they have been able to establish that United Flight 93 was in the air in the vicinity of Fort Wayne, IN, and Champaign, IL, at the time of the alleged Shanksville crash. Since no aircraft can be in two places at one time, it is difficult to imagine more conclusive proof that the Shanksville crash of Flight 93 was another fabricated event:

Now this is funny

By means of meticulous research

the Pilots for 9/11 keep on saying ATC could not have a altitude if the transponder was turned off. The altitude of UA 93 was reported as 8000ft, well their meticulous research left out the fact that ARSR radar does report altitude of non-transponder aircraft. The altitude reading is not considered accurate enough for ATC control purposes but it is there.

I like CT sites that shot themselves in the foot. I wonder what the rest of their "meticulous research" will prove.

Of course they could have asked any controller or checked wikipedia during their research.

And yes before anyone asks ARSR radar has been around since the late 1980's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Route_Surveillance_Radar

[goatboy]

CT'ers think that 9-11 and Chemtrails are a product of the Cabels that belong to the NWO ( New World Order) whose goal is to reduce the current worlds population by wars and famine. It gets better folks..........

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml

[kompili]

I wonder why the plane entered inside the building without tearing off the wings. At the pentagon they say the wings got tore off when it hit the building. Something doesn't look or sound right here.

[Fancy]

I wonder why the plane entered inside the building without tearing off the wings. At the pentagon they say the wings got tore off when it hit the building. Something doesn't look or sound right here.

Because the buildings were built differently? The Pentagon is reinforced - the towers weren't built to withstand that kind of damage. But you knew that.

[averagejoe]

Because the buildings were built differently? The Pentagon is reinforced - the towers weren't built to withstand that kind of damage. But you knew that.

No fancy. the 2 towers were built to with stand a direct hit from a B-707.