28 killed at elementary school

[SurplusElect]

Alex Jones really made the case for gun control last night on Piers Morgan.

The (crazy) man owns more than 50 weapons...legally. "We need more armed people like me in the US"

What did he do when he couldn't debate with words? Challenged Piers to a physical fight. Good thing he wasn't packing a gun.

[goatboy]

They aren't advocating for every teacher to pack a gun, either. Just for ones who felt comfortable doing it and for them to have proper gun safety and guard training, which they were willing to provide.

The day my kid has to go to a school where the teacher is packing a gun is the day we all need to go "what the hell happened to this country"? Guns in schools is a BAAAAD idea.

[Glacier]

There are already guns in schools. The Mayor of Chicago sends his kids to such a school even though he says he doesn't think other people should send their kids to such a school.

[goatboy]

There are already guns in schools. The Mayor of Chicago sends his kids to such a school even though he says he doesn't think other people should send their kids to such a school.

There may already be guns in some schools, and it's not a good thing.

[steelrules]

Gun grabbers watch this video and if you can still tell me that guns are the problem then your suffering from cognitive dissonance.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/heal ... ction.html

Big pharma profits from innocent lives.

[RichardW]

Gun grabbers watch this video and if you can still tell me that guns are the problem then your suffering from cognitive dissonance.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/heal ... ction.html

Big pharma profits from innocent lives.

It looks like you've hit upon something that seems wrong, and I agree with you that it has resulted in gun deaths and something should be changed. But are you seriously putting this forward as the answer to why so many people in the US die from their guns? I don't have accurate figures to use, but I'm thinking that it is most likely to be less than 1 % of gun deaths where the drugs mentioned in the video are implicated. By all means, demonstrate that these drugs are a much more significant player. Meanwhile, I'll agree with you that these drugs need to be banned or better controlled and the recipients' families warned of the potential dangers.

But then, the fact that these young people had access to guns speaks to the real problem, doesn't it? Should guns of any type be so available that young people (whether or not under the influence of 'pharma profits') can get their hands on them without supervision?

[Queen K]

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/

512 homicides in Chicago alone, most of them by gun violence. How is big Pharma responsible for this?

[steelrules]

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/

512 homicides in Chicago alone, most of them by gun violence. How is big Pharma responsible for this?

Queeny Queeny Queeny, Chicago is a total gun ban city! A lot of good gun controls are doing there Huh?
Your missing the point and it's as plain as the nose on your face, take guns away from law abiding folk and you get Chicago.

[SurplusElect]

Queeny Queeny Queeny, Chicago is a total gun ban city! A lot of good gun controls are doing there Huh?
Your missing the point and it's as plain as the nose on your face, take guns away from law abiding folk and you get Chicago.

Right. If we give everyone a gun in the Chicago Ghetto's (which are full of very poor minorities) - everything will be ok. Just hand 'em out! Same goes with all the heavily populated cities in the US - lets apply rural gun laws to urban population centers!

That shooting at Ft.Hood showed us that if there are plenty of guns and armed people around bad things wont happen.

Funny thing about these places where "crime is low because of open carry laws". They are mostly smaller, white rural towns. Crime is low in WHATCOM COUNTY ALABAMA, not because everyone is white, middle class and god-fearing - but because they are all packing.

[steelrules]

You know it dosn't matter what evidence is provided the gun grabbers only see what they want to.
Tampa. concealed carry was adopted crime went down 38%
Texas concealed carry adopted crime went down 30%
The gang bangers in Chicago New York and LA will kill each other if there's a gun ban or not, all you do with gun bans and adding to the 2000 federal gun laws that already exist is disarm the law abiding and take away their ability of self defence.
The Clinton gun bad did "nothing" that's why it was allowed to expire.

This whole conversation is moot anyway, any new un-constitunal laws that come from Obamas desk will be blocked by Congress and by the States.
So you gun grabbers lose and the people win.

[SurplusElect]

Tampa. concealed carry was adopted crime went down 38%

Texas concealed carry adopted crime went down 30%

The gang bangers in Chicago New York and LA will kill each other if there's a gun ban or not.

The city violent crime rate for Tampa in 2010 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 54.56% and the city property crime rate in Tampa was higher than the national property crime rate average by 11.93%.

...but I guess that's just "gang bangers killing each other" - accidental shooting don't happen and bullets always go where they are suppose to go. (nice logic pal)

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm

Go from 1995 (when they got open carry laws) till 2012. Looks at the rates yourself.

30% reduction eh? In car thefts. perhaps. Is that because of bait cars, open carry or the fact that 15 years ago 1 in 12 people were over 65 and now its one in 4? Not very many senior citizen home gangsters out there.

15,000 more burglaries in 2011 than in 1994 when the poor, defenseless public couldn't pack heat.

[steelrules]

This whole conversation is moot anyway, any new unconstitutional laws that come from Obamas desk will be blocked by Congress and by the States.
So you gun grabbers lose and the people win.

Oh! and thanks for the link, every one of those crime stats is down from 2000 on.

[grammafreddy]

The common denominator in all of these shootings was mental illness. IMO that's what needs to be addressed - not gun legislation.

[steelrules]

The common denominator in all of these shootings was mental illness. IMO that's what needs to be addressed - not gun legislation.

Absolutely Gramma.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/heal ... ction.html

[steelrules]

Credit where credit is due, a big pat on the back for the officer that took this idiot off the streets.
This is the type idiot that makes law abiding gun owners look bad and gets the gun grabbers up in arms.

Castanet story.
http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... .htm#85847