Okanagan Wolf Kill

[zzontar]

Really. Just making something up doesn't mean it is so.

Rifles are the choice of the majority of hunters, including natives, for gathering food for families in traditional manners.

Hunting is a traditional way of life that is part of our heritage. The method (bow, spear, rifle, muzzleloader, etc) does not change what hunting is.

It's called SPORT hunting for the same reason there is SPORT fishing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports

1.16 Equine Sports
1.17 Fishing
1.18 Flying disc sports
1.19 Football family
1.20 Golf
1.21 Gymnastics
1.22 Handball Family
1.23 Hunting

Regardless, before the invention of the rifle, hunting could be very time consuming and difficult so hunting for sport wasn't too big. Then with the rifle, things like the buffalo massacre could take place (I don't think that would have happened before the rifle) and as killing for fun was so easy, sport hunting began.

[Gone_Fishin]

You obviously don't know about the running of huge herds of buffalo over cliffs by natives then, Zzz. Hundreds were killed in a single herding.

And what if I kill a wolf or a deer with my crossbow, a weapon that has existed for 2,000+ years? Traditional enough for you?

The Canadian courts have ruled that the type of weapon used to hunt has evolved along with humans, and makes no difference to the traditional practice of hunting. See any case brought against natives for sustenance hunting - the use of firearms instead of bows and arrows does not change the traditional rights.

And a wiki-list? Are you kidding?

[dirtguy]

Really. Just making something up doesn't mean it is so.

Rifles are the choice of the majority of hunters, including natives, for gathering food for families in traditional manners.

Hunting is a traditional way of life that is part of our heritage. The method (bow, spear, rifle, muzzleloader, etc) does not change what hunting is.[/quote]


Don't bring up the natives with zzontar,it will definitely derail the thread

[dorf007]

Quote by Bigchief "This is not a conservation matter, nor is it of huge concern to ranchers. The amount of ranchers that lose livestock to wolves is negligible and ranchers genrally take these losses into account."

Yes it is both a conservation matter and a huge concern to ranchers.

As with everything there must be a balance. Too many deer and you have a unhealthy population and they deplete their own food source causing a died off. Too many wolves and they deplete their food source, the deer. There is no predator in the forest to control the wolf population. That is part of the reason there is now a hunting season for wolves.

Ranchers make their living raising and selling livestock (cows or sheep). If a wolf kills a cow then the rancher has lost the revenue he would made from the sale of that animal. He also lost the investment of money and time put in to the health and care of that animal. In simple terms it is money/food he has lost. So imagine if someone took $300 out of your wallet, would that be "negligible" to you; or would you just take the loss into account ?

[dorf007]

[quote="zzontar"][quote="Rwede"]

It's called SPORT hunting for the same reason there is SPORT fishing.

I call it my "'activity". And it is what I choose to do.

[dorf007]

what a gorgeous looking animal

people should have to hunt them with the same weapons the wolves have.

I wish I could run as fast, see as well, hear and see like them.

[logman]

At least 2 wolves were killed last night in the Brown Lake area. Are you even allowed to shoot at night?

[janalta]

At least 2 wolves were killed last night in the Brown Lake area. Are you even allowed to shoot at night?

It is illegal to hunt at night.
It would then be called poaching.

Natives are exempt in some areas though

[Gone_Fishin]

At least 2 wolves were killed last night in the Brown Lake area. Are you even allowed to shoot at night?

Is this just a rumour or do you have any evidence? If the latter, please report it to the RAPP line. Poaching is a crime.

[Fancy]

Aboriginal rights don't extend outside traditional hunting areas and there are restrictions.

[Graham Adder]

If you NEED to kill an animal to feed yourself or your family, then a whole new set of rules come into play.
If you NEED to kill an animal to feed yourself or your family, then even trapping is tolerable.

To kill any animal you have no intention of eating, unless in self defense, is wrong.
To kill any animal by a cruel and inhumane means such as traps and snares when it is not a necessity to survival is wrong.

Not one person reading or posting to this forum can manage or conserve wildlife by killing.
Killing needlessly is not a solution to the lack of balance that greed and ignorance has and still is causing.

[wcasako]

If you NEED to kill an animal to feed yourself or your family, then a whole new set of rules come into play.
If you NEED to kill an animal to feed yourself or your family, then even trapping is tolerable.

To kill any animal you have no intention of eating, unless in self defense, is wrong.
To kill any animal by a cruel and inhumane means such as traps and snares when it is not a necessity to survival is wrong.

Not one person reading or posting to this forum can manage or conserve wildlife by killing.
Killing needlessly is not a solution to the lack of balance that greed and ignorance has and still is causing.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Killing animals is one component of wildlife management - can you provide an example of a species that has been extirpated when managed through science based practices?

Also, whether an animal is put into a human mouth after it is killed has nothing to do with conservation. Once an snimal has been removed from a population, what happens to the carcass is irrelevant to the continued viability of the population. Eating an animal after death is a value decision and everyone is welcome to establish their own values and ethics.

[logman]

A note was left,along with 2 cans of beer, on the grader mans work truck while he was out grading the road. He works only at night and had seen these yahoos out on the roads in he dark during his shift. The note said thank you for keeping the road open and that they had shot A # of wolves. The hours he works away from his pick-up truck are only dark hours. I have seen a few wolves in the area,along with a lot of wolf tracks in recent months.

[Gone_Fishin]

A note was left,along with 2 cans of beer, on the grader mans work truck while he was out grading the road. He works only at night and had seen these yahoos out on the roads in he dark during his shift. The note said thank you for keeping the road open and that they had shot A # of wolves. The hours he works away from his pick-up truck are only dark hours. I have seen a few wolves in the area,along with a lot of wolf tracks in recent months.

Please ask him to file a RAPP report. If he can give a vehicle description, it may help the COs catch these poachers. Thanks.

[Graham Adder]

Thank you for sharing your opinion.
It's more than an opinion.
Killing animals is one component of wildlife management - can you provide an example of a species that has been extirpated when managed through science based practices?
If you didn't keep messing with nature, you wouldn't need to keep tweaking the mess you've made.
Also, whether an animal is put into a human mouth after it is killed has nothing to do with conservation. I never said nor insinuated that whether or not an animal ends up in a human mouth has anything to do with conservation. Once an snimal has been removed from a population, what happens to the carcass is irrelevant to the continued viability of the population. Eating an animal after death is a value decision and everyone is welcome to establish their own values and ethics. Again, if you would stop playing "The Omnipotent One" with nature, you wouldn't have to keep trying to tweak your way out of the mess your ignorant, selfish and arrogant ideals have created. My values are based around treating the planet and those within it with a level of respect long overdue. Put your science magazines back in the rack and put your ear to the ground. You'd be surprised what you can hear if you only listen.