Just like fast food workers

[maryjane48]

if they want to get paid more they should take better courses. jail guard isnt meant to be get rich type of work. they are like fastfood workers as it is same type of low job. theres no glory in being a jail guard . it is what it is . a low end job .

[WalterWhite]

*removed*

[jimmy4321]

if they want to get paid more they should take better courses. jail guard isnt meant to be get rich type of work. they are like fastfood workers as it is same type of low job. theres no glory in being a jail guard . it is what it is . a low end job .

This is sarcasm , right???

[WalterWhite]

if they want to get paid more they should take better courses. jail guard isnt meant to be get rich type of work. they are like fastfood workers as it is same type of low job. theres no glory in being a jail guard . it is what it is . a low end job .

This is sarcasm , right???

More like sour grapes.

[the truth]

anyone who knows anything knows that being a jail guard is not for everyone, and is not a min wage job, with all the scumbags they have to deal with everyday on there shifts

[MAPearce]

if they want to get paid more they should take better courses. jail guard isnt meant to be get rich type of work. they are like fastfood workers as it is same type of low job. theres no glory in being a jail guard . it is what it is . a low end job .

Makes me wonder ... What do you do for a living ??

Next time you go for a Whopper , try to consider that the person who made it for you knows what they are doing . They learned how to handle and prepare food to a standard that not only represents the brand but also to a standard that won't kill you ....

I'm thankful that fast food workers are there to feed me on demand ... They deserves some respect .

[forumdoug]

Makes me wonder ... What do you do for a living ??

Next time you go for a Whopper , try to consider that the person who made it for you knows what they are doing . They learned how to handle and prepare food to a standard that not only represents the brand but also to a standard that won't kill you ....

I'm thankful that fast food workers are there to feed me on demand ... They deserves some respect .

Thanks - you've helped to make my point for me. Fast food or quick-service restaurant workers deserve an increase in pay more urgently than an entry-level secretarial/customer service worker (of which I am one) making $15-19 per hour already. Similarly, one could easily consider a Kelowna jail guard an entry-level "customer service" (in a sense, maybe not "customer," but it's definitely service-oriented) contracted jail guard that largely monitors computer monitors, serves meals through a small cut-out in what, I'm guessing, is a heavy reinforced steel door and occasionally escorts prisoners to and from the cell block in concert with a trained RCMP member. :)

Besides, if we're to pay private security employees that serve as jail guards $26-30 per hour as Mr. Mossman would like, why not just hire additional RCMP members? The cost differential wouldn't be that great especially for a new graduate from their central depot and academy. Heck, a new RCMP member might even be cheaper if the starting salary is less than $52-55,000 per year. :)

The hubris here is pretty thick - let's face it, Mr. Mossman has to show he "has the newly unionized members'" backs even if he knows it's an uphill "battle" because of his union's own self-interests: their newly-minted members' dues. :)

Cheers,
Doug

[maryjane48]

that was my whole point . to shed light on the fact all work should be paid at the least a living wage . but some on here like to pick and choose . my work is done in this thread . some of you consdier yourself maryjane enlightened

[my5cents]

Does anyone see the irony that the low paid fast food counter clerk, entry level employee type and the upper management type are the two that think 15 bucks is plenty for a guard ?

[gardengirl]

that was my whole point . to shed light on the fact all work should be paid at the least a living wage . but some on here like to pick and choose . my work is done in this thread . some of you consdier yourself maryjane enlightened

SIGH. Entry level jobs are entry level jobs. They are there so people with few or no skills can gain some experience and skills.
They are NOT intended to be "living wage" jobs. What is the "living wage" in Kelowna, $50K? So the snot nosed kid with no skills and lots of attitude pushing watching you push your own groceries through the self-serve till should make that too? You better be prepared to pay a lot more for those groceries.

[jimmy4321]

Jail guards should get paid more.

Remember entry level jobs Don't mean dead end jobs.
Many opportunities for people who know how to work.

[forumdoug]

SIGH. Entry level jobs are entry level jobs. They are there so people with few or no skills can gain some experience and skills.
They are NOT intended to be "living wage" jobs. What is the "living wage" in Kelowna, $50K? So the snot nosed kid with no skills and lots of attitude pushing watching you push your own groceries through the self-serve till should make that too? You better be prepared to pay a lot more for those groceries.

The real problem is the lack of full-time jobs, not necessarily wages. So, there's lots of opportunity for the likes of Loblaw to start increasing full-time jobs and wages, albeit not necessarily to $15 overnight, and then telling shareholders to expect far less share buybacks and dividend increases. It's fundamentally a grocery store operator, not exactly historically known as a "good dividend payor". If you want higher dividends, that comes with commensurately higher risk and I'd suggest to go buy a bank stock. These are supposed to be companies you "hide in" when you're tactically defensive due to a weakened economy and volatile stock markets (we have a weakening economy now but completely muted stock markets currently). If that forces a major correction in their stock price(s), so be it. They're already inflated to arguably nosebleed levels anyway. :(

That's why, while I like the idea of a "living wage" as a "minimum wage," a far better approach, in my view, is reforming provincial labour codes (and the federal one) that restrict last-minute shift changes, guarantee minimum hours of work for part-time employees, restrict the classification of "casual" employees when they're frequently called in for what would seem to be a regular number of hours per week, expand mandatory lunch breaks to 30 minutes paid (not unpaid) for full time employees and certain other provisions of which there are many. The "full time" work week should be 35 hours of paid, worked hours, not including breaks, not 40, after which overtime provisions should kick in. We allow this for our two-tier caste system of workers: the public sector, so why not the private sector, too? Also, gov't needs to institute universal basic income for those 19-65 who do work on casual, temporary, part-time and even precarious independent contractor-type work in this Uber- and Airbnb-led economy. Cost impacts to taxpayers would be minimal to nil (in fact, I suspect, revenue positive even!) and paid for by less crime, less hospitalizations and an employer-paid levy, which could be reduced with a non-refundable tax credit for sustained permanent payroll growth of employees working more than 25 hours per week. Moreover, on costs, this would replace existing provincial welfare rolls, eliminating untold thousands of public sector jobs in thousands of welfare offices across the country, consolidated within several regional offices and a 24/7/365 contact centre per province. :)

Cheers,
Doug

[gardengirl]

Doug. You are confusing different issues here. Yes there could be changes made to the labour code with regard to hours, benefits and the like. My comment is in regard to MINIMUM WAGE with the expectation of it being a living wage.
Two completely different things. Minimum wage was always intended as entry level. That allows people with no skills and experience to enter the workforce.

[forumdoug]

Doug. You are confusing different issues here. Yes there could be changes made to the labour code with regard to hours, benefits and the like. My comment is in regard to MINIMUM WAGE with the expectation of it being a living wage.
Two completely different things. Minimum wage was always intended as entry level. That allows people with no skills and experience to enter the workforce.

Yes, and for the most part, I agree with you. Do I think minimum wage is too low? Yes. What's the right minimum wage? I suspect something in the $12.25-13.50 range. Does minimum wage need to be living wage? Ideally, yes, but legislatively, no. That's why I brought up the potential labour code changes and universal basic income, would also replace GIS and Spouses Allowance for those over age 65, as having a greater impact on (my definition of) the working class than simply raising the minimum wage. Yes the two are separate issues but hope that clarifies and makes sense why I brought it up. :)

Cheers,
Doug

[exFarmerS]

... Spoken like a true self-serving local union boss, collecting a salary or stipend plus expense reimbursements on top of his generous salary and benefits package from his "day job" with the City of Kelowna. :(...

I always intensely dislike this type of personal attack, Doug. Mossman is a full time union president on leave from his day job. If we broke down his pay vs hours worked, I suspect he makes a lot less an hour than you (when you're working). Not everyone with a decent paying job and benefits is ripping you off or deserves your disdain.