#MeToo

[Urban Cowboy]

So,'foodsmith', a woman can decide that she is curvy all she wants even though she may not be in reality.

Now now oldtrucker, there are all types of "curves", in some cases they just keep connecting up with each other, to form a circle, while in other instances, they actually meander back and forth, to create shapes other than a circle.

Which one happens to equate to "hot" is subjective I guess.

[Silverstarqueen]

the metoo movement is actually changing the way we think about laws. Accusations are more powerful now than actual court conviction.

I guess the way to combat this some have taken to extreme measures that that doesn't happen to them like Vice President Mike Pence using the "Billy Graham rule". Some even say by adopting this rule the very thing actually hinders Women in equality...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/21 ... wn-resigns

This guy should have adopted this rule. But he is now part of the Witch hunt....Maybe he did it...maybe he didn't...we don't know...its one persons word against another vs Public Opinion.

Hey look...whatever happens its never good that stuff like this happens to women...but accusations should never be above law...Nazi Germany loved accusations above law.

That's ridiculous, allegations are not above the law. Allegations must be made before there can be an investigation. The investigation determines if legal charges are brought against anyone. The innocent and even some not so innocent generally are never brought to trial, but even more rarely are ever proved guilty.

Why did he resign if he did nothing wrong? We are in a new world now where people can run for office (such as Trump for president, or what's his name Moore for senate) even when there are many allegations against them. Let them have their day in court, if that's what they want.Let them run for office if that's their preference. No need for resignations for those falsely accused.
What does Nazi Germany have to do with this? We have a very very different society and legal and political system than Nazi Germany had.

[LANDM]

Wait, wait, wait...

Sooooo... Women can't decide if they're curvy?

That lay in the subjective hands of the beholder as they objectify the "Woman"?

One time I met a girl that worked in construction who said she had trouble sometimes getting a job because she was to distracting to the men on the site(s)-implying she was super hot. I've been a official judge on that topic for decades and I can assure anyone even the light from hot would take years to get there. Even my girlfriend who is bi ,laughed at this girl's perception of herself . It is in the eye of the beholder. If she was happy at her perceived hotness ,then I am happy she feels so good about herself. So,'foodsmith', a woman can decide that she is curvy all she wants even though she may not be in reality.

Without speaking for someone else, that was sort of his point.....except for your part about the "reality" .
She did, if your interpretation of the situation is correct (and it may not be), decide she was hot, or even super-hot......therefore, the opinion of you and your bi girlfriend is irrelevant.

[Queen K]

Does anyone else see the irony that the #Metoo thread has morphed into what constitutes "hot" and "curvy"?

[LANDM]

Yes......but it is made OK because a "bi-girlfriend" was making the judgement.

Spare the rod.....

[zoo]

[/quote]

Why should a woman be blamed for dressing attractively?
Ah, You would like to blame men for how women dress? Dressing attractively is alot different than how women of hollywood dress. Unless your talking about Meg Ryan, who was the most beautiful actress ever and never had to show off her privates to do it.
Who signed up to have sex for money? They applied for acting jobs, were assaulted, and in some cases accepted a settlement for the assault (and might have had a non-disclosure agreement).
Your joking right. Actresses for ever have been doing that. Watch movies much. You know they are getting paid for those nude shots and sex scenes dont you?
So women could put a stop to the sexual attacks, by what, wearing a burka?
In Hollywood?
Looking attractive IS part of the business.
So there is no difference between looking attractive and what we see in hollywood? Guess we should all teach our daughters that hanging most of your breast out, taking your clothes off for money, doing sex scenes to become an actress is ok.
It's also part of being a waitress, a secretary for many businesses. Surely you are not saying that women have brought on sexual abuse by looking attractive?. Should news anchors, business women, Olympic athletes, also dress a little more ugly, use less makeup, to stave off sexual abuse?
For for all those great women out there that dress attractive, your saying they are ugly if they arent half naked?
Actresses are working as actors, they are not "selling themselves" as a receptacle for men's sperm.(Yes there is a name for that, but it still needs to be consensual).
Did you see in any of the post's that of agreeing that a sexual attack is OK?
OK, I have to laugh now, The actresses are doing what ever they can using sexual means to get those parts as sexual objects in those movies. Whether its flirting, exposing most of there bodies, taking there clothes off, sex scene's. Have you ever goggled "casting couch"?
If you want to "visulalize" over their filmed image or magazine layout, there is no law against that, but there is a law against forcing unwanted sexual advances on them.[/quote]
Women need to stop blaming the system, demands of this industry that they say makes them do what is required for fame, money, attention etc. Its there choice so lets stop blaming others for your choices.
The post's are not about sexual attacks being ok, they are about women in hollywood that go there if full intentions to play the game and get everything they can with what they have to do. And yes, that is a power and they control it.

[Silverstarqueen]

http://www.newsweek.com/old-hollywood-s ... ect-710885
https://news.sky.com/story/former-child ... d-11110821

https://www.geo.tv/latest/167300-hollyw ... ian-groups

[Jonrox]

Ummmm... Meg Ryan did show off her privates in the movie "In the Cut" .

[Queen K]

Ummmm... Meg Ryan did show off her privates in the movie "In the Cut" .

Ummm, it was written in no? I mean, Meg Ryan didn't go from doing her role to suddenly, "It's MEG time" and flash the camera with her privates and carry on with the role directly after.

Have you seen Game of Thrones? The characters are naked, often. In every episode.

And given of what we know of Hollywood, I suspect nudity is written in for gratutious reasons, not "art."

[Jonrox]

Have you seen the movie? People only saw it because of those scenes. It's not a good movie. The movie was a vehicle for one thing and one thing only... it was written around those couple of scenes to sell tickets to people who wanted to see 30 seconds of her.

The entire movie leads up to that point. Whereas Game of Thrones has a story and there's a reason for the nudity, "In the Cut" was written for one reason only... a few seconds of Meg Ryan.

This wasn't one of those movies where nudity is artistic or done for the role... it was done to shock and sell tickets to see naked Meg Ryan. And that's fine, but trying to dress it up any other way disingenuous. I say good on her though. She made a small fortune for the role and capitalized on the curiosity factor.

[Silverstarqueen]

quote:
Who signed up to have sex for money? They applied for acting jobs, were assaulted, and in some cases accepted a settlement for the assault (and might have had a non-disclosure agreement).
Your joking right. Actresses for ever have been doing that. Watch movies much. You know they are getting paid for those nude shots and sex scenes dont you?

OK, I have to laugh now, The actresses are doing what ever they can using sexual means to get those parts as sexual objects in those movies. Whether its flirting, exposing most of there bodies, taking there clothes off, sex scene's. Have you ever goggled "casting couch"?
If you want to "visulalize" over their filmed image or magazine layout, there is no law against that, but there is a law against forcing unwanted sexual advances on them.[/quote]
Women need to stop blaming the system, demands of this industry that they say makes them do what is required for fame, money, attention etc. Its there choice so lets stop blaming others for your choices.
The post's are not about sexual attacks being ok, they are about women in hollywood that go there if full intentions to play the game and get everything they can with what they have to do. And yes, that is a power and they control it.[/quote]

Actors get paid to act, sometimes that involves a nude scene, if they agree to it.
The complaints are not about the simulated "sexuality" that is part of the job, is carefully choreographed, and involves (usually) simulated sex, if that was part of the agreement. The complaints are about unwanted sex that is forced on them, not the work they do on the set.
The scenes they act in are their choice, and are not what the reports of abuse are about.
Just because they simulate scenes of sex or violence, or murder for the purposes of making a movie, does not mean they it should be open season on actors for sexual abuse, or rape, or murder, or that it should just be "part of the job".
Surely you can see the difference between a simulated scene an actor has agreed to (you do realize they are not actually being beaten or raped don't you?), and an act of real sexual violation which occurs in their private life.
Actors are blaming the system for the real physical violations, of unwanted sexual acts, not the work they have contracted for which is simulated.
Now a child might not be able to tell the difference, but I am pretty sure most adults realize the difference between an actor, acting a part, and real sexual abuse.
The difference, again, comes down to consent, which seems to be such a difficult concept for some people to understand, but not really.
And again we have the confusion (really the facade of an excuse for abuse) over dress. There is no dress that a woman might wear, which entitles anyone else to sexually assault them. Actors aren't complaining about the dress they wear in order to look the part of an actor. But certain individuals seem to think that someone wearing a particular outfit is somehow asking to be attacked, and therefore the person assaulted has no right to protest the assault. No where is there a mention of the responsibility of the person assaulting them. The whole discussion, once again, becomes instead one of blaming the victim. And then blaming them again for reporting the attack, and tearing them down from there. This attitude only continues the cycle of abuse. And it is very clear on these threads which people seem to have this abusive mentality.

[Queen K]

Hey Silverstarqueen, Can you put your PM on so I can voice my opinion to you directly?

[liisgo]

Hey zoo, I think the feminist here is jumping back and forth when needed to ignore the issues being talked about on this thread. One minute we are talking about Hollywood and the sexual business and everyone's part in it. The game, the use of sexual desires. nudity, flirting, sex etc. for money fame and fortune, and sometimes marriage, then back to the Weinstein and others.
That's whats crappy for all, and the reasons we cant grow up and deal with the real issues. Because feminists what to use every option they can to hijack issues to cover up, justify any thing that looks at themselves. Thats what they do.
Thats why most women do not call themselves feminists any more.

[liisgo]

FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD
1) Women account for 52% of moviegoers. (MPAA 2016)

2) On the top 100 grossing films of 2016, women represented:

4% of directors
11% of writers
3% of cinematographers
19% of producers
14% of editors
(Center for the Study of Women in Television and Film)

Someone posted the above info.

Well it is 2018 and by now one would have thought all the statistics to have been more equal, it is obvious nothing more than a choice of women not to enter into these fields. I'm sure we can all agree that the people that do enter into these fields put alot on the line, work extremely hard, take chances, etc etc. We should not expect the numbers to be gender equal if women choose not to enter into these areas. We can not make them.
Or wait a minute, are you saying that this is the patriarchy at work against women??
Its 2018, women can pick and choose what ever field they want. If this report is to show the patriarchy claimed by feminist its pretty poor and weak and actually embarrassing.

[Silverstarqueen]

Hey zoo, I think the feminist here is jumping back and forth when needed to ignore the issues being talked about on this thread. One minute we are talking about Hollywood and the sexual business and everyone's part in it. The game, the use of sexual desires. nudity, flirting, sex etc. for money fame and fortune, and sometimes marriage, then back to the Weinstein and others.
That's whats crappy for all, and the reasons we cant grow up and deal with the real issues. Because feminists what to use every option they can to hijack issues to cover up, justify any thing that looks at themselves. Thats what they do.
Thats why most women do not call themselves feminists any more.

The MeToo movement is about victims/survivors of sexual harassment, abuse, assault, and the exposing of the perpetrators of those abuses, the abuse of their power to make unwanted sexual advances. .

That is the topic of this thread.