Huge RCMP Roadcheck

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To jamapple ...

I completely agree. Laws are only necessary to control the exceptions. Not the vast majority.

But they ARE necessary to control the exceptions for the well being of the majority.
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twobits, I, too, am part of the " go ahead and check/video/tap me group, because I have NOTHING to hide, but past experience on here clearly states you get sh*t on for taking that stand. People just want to be left alone with their rights. But with that, comes the part about the common criminal having the exact same rights as myself. That, I'm not good with.


Wow. (shaking my head) Okay, so someone convicted of a crime definitely doesn't have the same rights as yourself, unless of course, you spend your days in a jail cell, answer to a probation officer and walk your days with the stigma of a criminal record attached to your name. What you are in fact suggesting is that you would like to be treated like a common criminal and that everyone should be treated as guilty until proven innocent because well, you have nothing to hide, lol.

That was pretty popular ideology back in the mid 30's - in Germany.

I suspect that you and Donald are really confusing the word criminal with marginalized. You know, the dirty people, the artists that don't colour within the lines, those freaky people that don't see things the way you do. I love this thread, been watching it for days. What an absolute hoot! Even the rabid free enterprisers have no problem with the suspension of basic civil liberties, provided they get an express lane so they can bypass the unwashed masses. Of course, the public servant simply expounds upon the fact that the free enterpriser can write it off. And then, while talking about crime and criminal behaviour we can see a reference to bill C-51 slid in for good measure... lol... a bill that legalized decades of illegal behaviour by our "authorities".

Gold Jerry... I tell you, this forum is golden. Has anyone given any thought to taking this act on the road? Oh hey, and if you do go that route; just keep your papers in order for the checkpoint, budget three extra hours, write it off on your taxes and don't worry about it - your the good guys, with nothing to hide.

Tomorrow, I'm going to celebrate the fact that I live in a country where people are free to write, far more than they read.

Love you guys, please carry on...
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Wow. (shaking my head) Okay, so someone convicted of a crime definitely doesn't have the same rights as yourself, unless of course, you spend your days in a jail cell, answer to a probation officer and walk your days with the stigma of a criminal record attached to your name.



In my world, yes. If I lived in your world, criminals like the 2 a$$hats that escaped prison would have, (in your eyes), the same rights as yourself. Kinda sounds stupid, doesn't it?
And yes, if they did their time for their crime, and even had a criminal record with no arrest warrants, etc, I would be the bigger person, and say yes, they have the same rights as I do. If they're currently serving, than I say no, they don't/shouldn't have the same rights as you and I.
That's just the way I see it, and you don't. If you're ok with them having clear sailing on the lam without being caught because some people don't want to be inconvenienced, that's ok. I won't mock you, I just won't agree with you.
So, go celebrate Canada Day, a country you and a small minority say is constantly stepping on your civil liberties, and right to free movement.
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You know, the dirty people, the artists that don't colour within the lines, those freaky people that don't see things the way you do. I love this thread, been watching it for days. What an absolute hoot!


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Right again jamapple. Very "Canadian" way of thinking.

Drip_torch, not so much.
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In my world, yes. If I lived in your world, criminals like the 2 a$$hats that escaped prison would have, (in your eyes), the same rights as yourself. Kinda sounds stupid, doesn't it?


Considering how much you know about my world, yeah, I might even go a little further than that.

While contemplating my list of things that keep me awake at night, I yawned and fell asleep long, long, before I got to two criminals that escaped from an American prison, but I'll play along...

Two bad dudes escaped from a prison as wanted fugitives, hmm, nope - in my eyes they are wanted fugitives and there should be resources tasked to bringing them back in. I'm not a wanted fugitive, so there is nothing the same there.

Let's cut to chase here. There's bad people in this world, if you read the prison escape story, you hear tell that some of them wear nice shoes and appear to be good people. There has always been bad people, there's even good people that do bad things, nothing new going on, that's why we hire police and pay them enough to carry around 20 lbs of intervention equipment.

That's also why we instituted a series of checks and balances.
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Right again jamapple. Very "Canadian" way of thinking.


"Canadian Club" thinking.
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To drip_torch ...

Yep and police traffic checks across Canada that result in identifying or dealing with more than half of the 50,000 to 100,000 people for whom there are warrants, parole restrictions, probation restrictions and interim release orders in effect at any given time are a significant element in that checks and balance system.

The offences range from very minor offenses to murder, manslaughter, child abuse and other violent acts. Your comment regarding only two of such people belittles reality.
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I can appreciate how twobits would be upset that he was out of pocket $300 due to the long delays but I also am happy that 15 or more people were nailed for being under the influence and taken off the roads that weekend. Makes it much safer for the rest of us. I don't like the fact, however that "the time that it takes to do the paperwork and process folks" is too often the reason that "suspensions" are given out, rather than full "impaired driving charges". A suspension is more like a slap on the wrist, whereas an impaired charge can and does lead to a criminal record (a real deterrent).
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Considering how much you know about my world, yeah, I might even go a little further than that.

While contemplating my list of things that keep me awake at night, I yawned and fell asleep long, long, before I got to two criminals that escaped from an American prison, but I'll play along...

Two bad dudes escaped from a prison as wanted fugitives, hmm, nope - in my eyes they are wanted fugitives and there should be resources tasked to bringing them back in. I'm not a wanted fugitive, so there is nothing the same there.

Let's cut to chase here. There's bad people in this world, if you read the prison escape story, you hear tell that some of them wear nice shoes and appear to be good people. There has always been bad people, there's even good people that do bad things, nothing new going on, that's why we hire police and pay them enough to carry around 20 lbs of intervention equipment.

That's also why we instituted a series of checks and balances.



I knew you wouldn't see past the 2 escapees, and not see the bigger picture of all the other Canadian escapees from halfway houses, which is a bigger number than you or I think, and not to mention the number of fellons,parole violaters, and everyone else Donald G mentioned.
And I don't need to know about your world. You came on here and openly told all of us on here that :" Wow. (shaking my head) Okay, so someone convicted of a crime definitely doesn't have the same rights as yourself, unless of course, you spend your days in a jail cell, answer to a probation officer and walk your days with the stigma of a criminal record attached to your name".
Sums it up!
Also answers the question about Canadian Club. Might be a little early in the morning for that.
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Ugh oh, my bad.

For my next post I was going to reveal how they got the Carmel in Caramilk bar, but I guess that wouldn't be a good idea, either - eh?

I'm not going to spar with you Jamapple. I'm sure you and Donald have a hold of the big picture and where we differ is merely in the framing.

Happy Canada Day to you.
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Drip_Torch wrote:

I'm not going to spar with you Jamapple. I'm sure you and Donald have a hold of the big picture and where we differ is merely in the framing.



Of course not. Why come to a gun fight with a mitre saw?
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Of course not. Why come to a gun fight with a mitre saw?


You, I'll spar with.

lol... just kidding, and happy Canada Day to you too.

Thanks for that, good shot... laughed my guts out - "an upgrade".

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Happy Canada Day to all of you's. Sparring is good, as is differing opinions. No hard feelings!!

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