Road Rats in South OK and Similk.

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twobits wrote:Justify that please. I don't care what vintage either vehicle is either. The f350 is going to burn more fuel and pay more in taxes.

The taxes on diesel are a lot less than they are on gasoline. Plus diesel is more efficient.
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Maybe if you have time you could provide us with a list of the type of roadways, a list of specific roads within the province would even be better, which cyclists are "prohibited from using"?


And to further the point, the same hwy's that allow cyclists also allow pedestrian traffic. Shall we also then accept hitchhikers walking up and in the lane of traffic with their thumbs out hoping for a ride? They are after all legally there. Would it *bleep* you off if you came upon a person with their thumb out in the lane of traffic impeding your way? Or are you going to lie and say you would crawl along in a loaded truck following the thumb until there was a potential safe way to pass them.

Entitled road rats!
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[quote="Glacier"]
The taxes on diesel are a lot less than they are on gasoline. Plus diesel is more efficient.[/quote

Glace, as a respected poster here, I expected more than deflection from you.
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Taxes on Litre of each gasoline & diesel (outside both Victoria & GVRD)
Gasoline:
Motor fuel tax BC .145 cents per/litre
Carbon tax BC .0667 cents per/litre
Federal Excise tax .10 cents per/litre
5% GST

Diesel:
Motor Fuel tax BC .15 cents per/litre
Carbon tax BC .0767 cents per/litre
Federal Excise tax .04 cents per/litre
5% GST

Only 1 cheaper is what goes to the Feds via Excise tax
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GordonH wrote:Only 1 cheaper is what goes to the Feds via Excise tax


Yes and that pittance is more than made up for in the exorbitant insurance rates a big rig has to pay, and the much higher rates rigs have to cough up for other things such as ferries, and tolls.

They pay their fair share and then some.
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You obviously do not reside in the South OK or have a business that need hwy's to travel at more than 15 kph for 50% of their trip.
And while I question the economics of bike lanes in general, because all I see is highly underused asphalt, I will give them a pass because they are not in a traffic lane.
Your attitude is both arrogant and entitled when you think a bicycle at 15 kph on a dedicated roadway should be the measure of the lowest speed use of that asphalt. Following your logic, horse drawn carriages should be able to stifle the economy of transport of goods as well. Horse drawn carriages are as legitimate on our hwy's as a pedal bike. Give yer head a shake.[/quote]



Your first sentence implies that when you conduct your business, and use the highway, you only travel on said highway 15km/hr for 50% of your trip? I chuckled when I read that! Here's an easy, non surgical solution......just go around them. I know, I know....but I can't safely, so I'm stuck behind this bike, on a highway, going 15km/hr for 50% of my trip from Penticton to Kelowna!! Thanks, I needed that laugh!
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twobits wrote:]

We are all quite aware the freeway designated hwy's do not allow cyclists or pedestrians on the shoulders.


There is only ONE designated "freeway" in BC, Hwy #1, and that is only freeway between Lions Bay and Hope. That leaves hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of miles of roadways in BC where cyclists are not only permitted but also have the same rights to the roadways as do motorized vehicles and that includes ALL of the roads in the South Okanagan.
Have you ever driven Hwy 33? Like many of us have you ever been stuck behind one of your beloved commercial trucks as it slowly crawls up some of the steeper sections impeding the flow of traffic? Clearly by your standards these vehicle should have no right to be on the road if they can not maintain a speed that doesn't impede other traffic.
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Cyclists may have the right to use the highways and roadways but that doesn't mean it's always safe for them to do so. Where there isn't an adequate shoulder or bicycle lane for them to use, they then interfere with the flow of traffic and become a danger to themselves and others.

Why on earth would someone intentionally put themselves in harm's way, just because they "have the right" to be somewhere?

To those who insist that automobile drivers Share the Road, how do you feel about people using motorized wheelchairs or scooters running down the highway? Do you see any dangers there?
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twobits wrote:And to further the point, the same hwy's that allow cyclists also allow pedestrian traffic. Shall we also then accept hitchhikers walking up and in the lane of traffic with their thumbs out hoping for a ride? They are after all legally there. Would it *bleep* you off if you came upon a person with their thumb out in the lane of traffic impeding your way? Or are you going to lie and say you would crawl along in a loaded truck following the thumb until there was a potential safe way to pass them.
Entitled road rats!

Actually in case you didn't know, even though everyone else is fully aware pedestrian traffic is limited to the shoulders of roadways and they and the practice of hitch hiking is only not permitted in the same single location location in BC where cyclists are also not permitted. It's easily Goggled
There are far far more loaded trucks pizzing off people in BC by holding up traffic all on their own than cyclist pizzing off people but feel free to keep grasping at straws to substantiate your own delusional sense of false entitlement what ever the reason.
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cv23 wrote:There is only ONE designated "freeway" in BC, Hwy #1, and that is only freeway between Lions Bay and Hope.

Actually, there are at least a half dozen freeways in BC. Coquihalla, highway 99 from Vancouver to the US border, Okanagan connector from Aspen Grove to Peachland, sections of the Inland Island Highway around Nanaimo and north of Nanaimo, the Annacis Highway.
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Wow! What a thread. Facts are as they are. Cyclists have right of way on the roads. Deal with it. If you do a little studying of the history of paved roads in North America you will quickly learn that motorists OWE paved roads to cyclists of years past. While I do agree that cyclists should ALWAYS ride single file on the highways I cannot understand where your anger towards cyclists comes from. Slow down and go around. Don't forget that is a person on that bike. Someones Mom, Dad, Brother or Sister. They deserve to make it home.
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Glacier wrote:Actually, there are at least a half dozen freeways in BC. Coquihalla, highway 99 from Vancouver to the US border, Okanagan connector from Aspen Grove to Peachland, sections of the Inland Island Highway around Nanaimo and north of Nanaimo, the Annacis Highway.

You are correct and thanks for pointing my error out.
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans ... ions-rules
"Cyclists are allowed on all highways except designated freeways."

Interesting to note none are located in the South or North Okanagan which is the area this thread is "supposed' to be dealing with.
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I get a laugh out of reading this thread and thinking of the numerous other threads on here about left lane hog or seniors driving a bit under the speed limit. I'll bet many people on here have complained on those threads about being held up by these people and yet support bikes on the highways. There should be a law against bikes holding up traffic the same as there is now a law against people blocking the left hand lane. Lets get some continuity here people. If a bike can go up a hill at 5 km blocking traffic I should be able to do the same thing in my car or in the left lane for that matter. If bikers want equality then lets get equal.
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cv23 wrote:You are correct and thanks for pointing my error out.
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans ... ions-rules
"Cyclists are allowed on all highways except designated freeways."

Interesting to note none are located in the South or North Okanagan which is the area this thread is "supposed' to be dealing with.

People in the Okanagan don't like freeways. They'd rather have highways grow right through the middle of towns so that people will support local business. That's why there is on average 1 traffic light every 3 km on highway 97 through the Okanagan. Can it still be called a highway at that point?
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Smurf wrote:If bikers want equality then lets get equal.

Actually it has very little to do with equality because if that was the case why shouldn't cars be allowed to drive on sidewalks and bikepaths? Because those spaces are designated for a specific use while roadways are designated for multi use.
The point is that we all need to learn to share what is designated as multi use and respect the rights of others, not always putting ourselves first. Courtesy needs to go both ways in these areas. I'm sure there are disrespectful cyclist as I'm sure there are disrespectful motorists. A point to consider is if motorists out number cyclists ten thousand to one and there are an equal percentage of disrespectful operators in each group just how many more disrespectful motorist are on our roads than disrespectful cyclists?

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