Selling pot in Vernon after legalization

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AtlantisKelowna wrote:
ajoker wrote:As if black market weed isn't just dried out too. Haven't seen good black market weed in a long time, wouldn't trust it at this point either as it's most likely grown by someone who couldn't hack it doing something proper.

Might get shorted at the store but at least I know it's most likely not touched with *bleep* covered hands and has never been moldy.

The guys pushing black market weed so much probably have a hand in it as anyone with a brain knows what an economy of scale is and how it would affect legal prices if more people just bought legal.


Contrary to your belief there are many reasons one would support the black market. Yes there are still a few shady characters looking at dollar signs much like some LP's but for the rest its all politic's. Most of it comes down to funding and grants. If you have money and excel with government paperwork it is pretty easy to attain your license quickly, even if there are submissions ahead of you.

As a business owner I'm very aware of how the economy works and understand this industry much better than most. Are you aware that most LP's are selling at around $2-$3 per gram? It is then sold for a minimum of $10 per gram in the store with some ranging to $20-$30 per gram. So at the minimum we are paying a 70% margin and a 250% markup on sub par quality bud. To me that is just as bad as gouging people for medical supplies during a pandemic. We need to put an end to these pocket lining corporations and supporting them is not going to change anything. I will support the one off's that are real local's with a passion for the industry, not help some CEO pay for a 3rd vacation home.


Contrary to your belief, prior to legalization, prices were higher or just as high as legal bud in store.

A good eighth in Vancouver prior to legalization would run you $45, that's more than $10/gram - more than I pay now for better quality in store. I don't think I've ever seen a $30/gram, ever. Besides, if you're buying the most expensive weed thinking it's the best/most effective, you're doing it wrong.

Also, the average price/gram in BC in-store is $7.15.

"Contrary to your belief there are many reasons one would support the black market. Yes there are still a few shady characters looking at dollar signs much like some LP's but for the rest its all politic's."

So, there's bad actors in both groups, but you choose to support black market because paperwork?

Filling in government paperwork isn't rocket science, if you can't do that, it's unlikely you can even read, which makes it hard for anyone to want to buy anything from you.

Circles back to my original comment: "wouldn't trust it at this point either as it's most likely grown by someone who couldn't hack it doing something proper."

Your other reason, money? Being a business owner, you should know that if you want to produce something as cheap as possible, you need to produce a lot of it and to do that you need the capital.

Should LP's limit production so their costs are higher and don't take in as much money?
Should stores not pay their employees as much so they can lower the price of the pot they sell?
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ajoker wrote:Contrary to your belief, prior to legalization, prices were higher or just as high as legal bud in store.

A good eighth in Vancouver prior to legalization would run you $45, that's more than $10/gram - more than I pay now for better quality in store. I don't think I've ever seen a $30/gram, ever. Besides, if you're buying the most expensive weed thinking it's the best/most effective, you're doing it wrong.


Well they must have seen you coming then. I've been smoking close to 20 years and I've never seen an eighth more than $30 on the street. There are in fact a few strains pushing the $30 gram mark but I would never pay that because the price doesn't reflect the quality in most case's.

ajoker wrote:Also, the average price/gram in BC in-store is $7.15.


The only way your getting the price that you state is when buying larger quantities. Your not gonna walk into any shop and buy a gram for anything less than $10 unless they have some sort of sale or clearance going on.

ajoker wrote:So, there's bad actors in by both groups, but you choose to support black market because paperwork?

Filling in government paperwork isn't rocket science, if you can't do that, it's unlikely you can even read, which makes it hard for anyone to want to buy anything from you.


When did I say that market had my support? My point was that the black market isn't suffering because the price of legal bud is too high BECAUSE of corporate greed. It was only legalized because politicians, ceo's and corporate scum seen dollar signs.

You can make ignorant statements and question my intelligence all you want but it doesn't make you right. Yes, filling out paperwork is simple and that was never my argument. My point was that licenses and grants are much easier to attain if you have deep pockets and lawyers doing all the leg work because a lot of Government paperwork has loopholes in place so that when you make a simple error they can use it against you. For the average Joe that doesn't fill out paperwork and find loopholes for a living it can be confusing in some ways.

ajoker wrote:Your other reason, money? Being a business owner, you should know that if you want to produce something as cheap as possible, you need to produce a lot of it and to do that you need the capital.


Yes, thanks again for the obvious and again not my point.

ajoker wrote:Should LP's limit production so their costs are higher and don't take in as much money?
Should stores not pay their employees as much so they can lower the price of the pot they sell?


I don't quite understand what your trying to prove? My point is very simple, to have the upper hand against the black market prices need to be lower than theirs. Not a hard concept.
Most businesses can run at a 40-50% profit margin and remain successful, pay employee's fairly and still make a profit. When your in the 70-150% profit margin it's about greed and money, nothing else.

For the record, I support locally owned shop's over the black market. As for the bigger guys like spiritleaf for example, I would rather support the black market.
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AtlantisKelowna wrote:
ajoker wrote:Contrary to your belief, prior to legalization, prices were higher or just as high as legal bud in store.

A good eighth in Vancouver prior to legalization would run you $45, that's more than $10/gram - more than I pay now for better quality in store. I don't think I've ever seen a $30/gram, ever. Besides, if you're buying the most expensive weed thinking it's the best/most effective, you're doing it wrong.


Well they must have seen you coming then. I've been smoking close to 20 years and I've never seen an eighth more than $30 on the street. There are in fact a few strains pushing the $30 gram mark but I would never pay that because the price doesn't reflect the quality in most case's.

ajoker wrote:Also, the average price/gram in BC in-store is $7.15.


The only way your getting the price that you state is when buying larger quantities. Your not gonna walk into any shop and buy a gram for anything less than $10 unless they have some sort of sale or clearance going on.

ajoker wrote:So, there's bad actors in by both groups, but you choose to support black market because paperwork?

Filling in government paperwork isn't rocket science, if you can't do that, it's unlikely you can even read, which makes it hard for anyone to want to buy anything from you.


When did I say that market had my support? My point was that the black market isn't suffering because the price of legal bud is too high BECAUSE of corporate greed. It was only legalized because politicians, ceo's and corporate scum seen dollar signs.

You can make ignorant statements and question my intelligence all you want but it doesn't make you right. Yes, filling out paperwork is simple and that was never my argument. My point was that licenses and grants are much easier to attain if you have deep pockets and lawyers doing all the leg work because a lot of Government paperwork has loopholes in place so that when you make a simple error they can use it against you. For the average Joe that doesn't fill out paperwork and find loopholes for a living it can be confusing in some ways.

ajoker wrote:Your other reason, money? Being a business owner, you should know that if you want to produce something as cheap as possible, you need to produce a lot of it and to do that you need the capital.


Yes, thanks again for the obvious and again not my point.

ajoker wrote:Should LP's limit production so their costs are higher and don't take in as much money?
Should stores not pay their employees as much so they can lower the price of the pot they sell?


I don't quite understand what your trying to prove? My point is very simple, to have the upper hand against the black market prices need to be lower than theirs. Not a hard concept.
Most businesses can run at a 40-50% profit margin and remain successful, pay employee's fairly and still make a profit. When your in the 70-150% profit margin it's about greed and money, nothing else.

For the record, I support locally owned shop's over the black market. As for the bigger guys like spiritleaf for example, I would rather support the black market.


I had a question? Let it be legal or black market, are the personnel selling it medically certified as description says medical marijuana? If not what is the difference between legalized shop & black market stuff? If yes is Marijuana scientifically proved for medical use? if government is selling it at lower cost who is paying the difference?
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nicholas p wrote:I had a question? Let it be legal or black market, are the personnel selling it medically certified as description says medical marijuana? If not what is the difference between legalized shop & black market stuff? If yes is Marijuana scientifically proved for medical use? if government is selling it at lower cost who is paying the difference?


For the most part, marijuana sold at dispensaries or black market is not deemed medical marijuana as it is meant for recreational use just like alcohol. So no, the staff are not medically certified but do require some training on the process.

The difference is that LP's are regulated and black market is not. Some black market growers still use chemical's that are not deemed safe for cannabis production and LP's are checked regularly to ensure they are following the rules.

When you get into the medicinal marijuana you need a prescription and then need to choose an LP for your supply. Once this is done it will be shipped directly to you. Some dispensaries may act as a middle man for people with prescriptions but I'm not aware of that process.

Yes, Marijuana has been scientifically proven for medicinal use over and over again.

I'm not expecting the tax payer to pickup the difference as you implied rather that the price needs to be competitive with the black market in order to have an effect on their market. If they would sell at a fair price sales would increase but instead they want to line pockets full of cash. Greed is the only explanation.
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unless the police across canada go back and start busting grow ops like it did 24 months ago the Black market will prevail and prosper just like its doing
The total lack of illegal cannabis growth is unacceptable and its killing the legal grow ops and add in the over production caused by a prosperous Black market is killing the legal grow ops
the government should remove the outrageous tax to help eradicate the BM seeing as their unwilling to effectively police it
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dontrump wrote:unless the police across canada go back and start busting grow ops like it did 24 months ago the Black market will prevail and prosper just like its doing
The total lack of illegal cannabis growth is unacceptable and its killing the legal grow ops and add in the over production caused by a prosperous Black market is killing the legal grow ops
the government should remove the outrageous tax to help eradicate the BM seeing as their unwilling to effectively police it


Gee, it sounds like you invested some money in this industry. It was obvious before legalization happened that there would be far too much production by get-rich-quick weed corporations. Of course the acquisition of land, the building of greenhouses, and the outfitting of them would be done by contractors also owned by the corporation owners under different title. It was all designed to fleece potential investors and funnel the money into the promoters' pockets. It didn't matter that they couldn't compete with the black market. They got the invested cash.

And if anybody really wants weed, it is so easy to just grow a couple of plants. My darn cat keeps eating a leaf or two every couple of days. Just the price for keeping the greenhouse mouse-free.
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bob vernon wrote:
dontrump wrote:unless the police across canada go back and start busting grow ops like it did 24 months ago the Black market will prevail and prosper just like its doing
The total lack of illegal cannabis growth is unacceptable and its killing the legal grow ops and add in the over production caused by a prosperous Black market is killing the legal grow ops
the government should remove the outrageous tax to help eradicate the BM seeing as their unwilling to effectively police it


Gee, it sounds like you invested some money in this industry. It was obvious before legalization happened that there would be far too much production by get-rich-quick weed corporations. Of course the acquisition of land, the building of greenhouses, and the outfitting of them would be done by contractors also owned by the corporation owners under different title. It was all designed to fleece potential investors and funnel the money into the promoters' pockets. It didn't matter that they couldn't compete with the black market. They got the invested cash.

And if anybody really wants weed, it is so easy to just grow a couple of plants. My darn cat keeps eating a leaf or two every couple of days. Just the price for keeping the greenhouse mouse-free.

well sounds like you dont really know the story like I do so I will leave you and your cats to eat and smoke your home grown :130:
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dontrump wrote:unless the police across canada go back and start busting grow ops like it did 24 months ago the Black market will prevail and prosper just like its doing
The total lack of illegal cannabis growth is unacceptable and its killing the legal grow ops and add in the over production caused by a prosperous Black market is killing the legal grow ops
the government should remove the outrageous tax to help eradicate the BM seeing as their unwilling to effectively police it



This is exactly my point, Put the market for our smoke in your own hands. Grow yer own and keep your money close down big farma and the man, Your complaing about fair buisness competition like I care, I started this thread, try to stay in the tone I have laid out Get it, You must be stoned:)
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what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers
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dontrump wrote:what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers


The market itself will shutdown the illicit through competition. Pot shop pricing was way to high at first, but are now getting to the level that the consumer will find convenient.
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ckil wrote:
dontrump wrote:what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers


The market itself will shutdown the illicit through competition. Pot shop pricing was way to high at first, but are now getting to the level that the consumer will find convenient.

government greed also contributed to the survival of the existing black markets ;; governments steal from people by obese taxes that all go towards our socialist society that so many out there are guilty of breeding
makes me extremely proud in my working years where i made huge money and I was able to make a ton of money tax free LOL
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dontrump wrote:what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers

Well we've got a mini-grow op next to us. Third year in a row our neighbour has been growing it.
He has 8 to 12 plants in his backyard and they are stinking out our backyard and sometimes our house. Today the stench was horrible. We couldn't stay outside long and had to close all the windows tonight.
I'm at my wits end as to what to do. I'm hesitant to report him to the police as it's likely I'm the only neighbour that can see his little grow op, so he'll know who did it.
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bb49 wrote:
dontrump wrote:what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers

Well we've got a mini-grow op next to us. Third year in a row our neighbour has been growing it.
He has 8 to 12 plants in his backyard and they are stinking out our backyard and sometimes our house. Today the stench was horrible. We couldn't stay outside long and had to close all the windows tonight.
I'm at my wits end as to what to do. I'm hesitant to report him to the police as it's likely I'm the only neighbour that can see his little grow op, so he'll know who did it.


your allowed 3 per household thats it if it as bad as u say and bothers u simply turn him in what i would do he or she are breaking Canadian law
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bb49 wrote:
dontrump wrote:what i find appalling is the fact after 2 years of legalization the government has done very very little to combat and shut down the illicit black market of cannibis ? before one could read a new story at least once a week of a busted grow op at various places in BC and now still over 50% of all dope(weed) sales nationally are still purchased from illegal growers and distributers

Well we've got a mini-grow op next to us. Third year in a row our neighbour has been growing it.
He has 8 to 12 plants in his backyard and they are stinking out our backyard and sometimes our house. Today the stench was horrible. We couldn't stay outside long and had to close all the windows tonight.
I'm at my wits end as to what to do. I'm hesitant to report him to the police as it's likely I'm the only neighbour that can see his little grow op, so he'll know who did it.


Go knock on the door and tell them your concern. Most people growing a small crop like that are probably pretty chill and might be more understanding then you know. Explain your concerns and If they decide to brush you off tell them that you will be calling bylaw to ensure they are following the rules. Your allowed 4 plants per person unless they have a specific license for more.

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